[dungeoncrawl] Re: Tuesday morning review
- From: "Robert Deibler" <rdeibler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:35:21 -0500
I agree bad nights happen, the next nights usually better, if we were the type
of people to let those nights affect us we would definaltly not be playing as
long as we have been... Face it there are basiclly two types of bad night, Bad
Dice nights, Bad roleplaying nights, and when those two are the same night
ouch...I am looking forward to see how the group faces this beholder...
Good point though Damon to many games I have played make it through by a thin
thread of life, but in reality they should have retreated regrouped and tried
again versus keep bashing it out. Three of fights like that and they are ready
for retirement.
-----Original Message-----
From: Damon Kline [mailto:damon.kline@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tue 12/3/2002 12:21 PM
To: 'dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Cc:
Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Re: Tuesday morning review
Yes, it makes perfect sense. I didn't mean to imply that she now
trusts him
implicitly and would risk her life for him. I just meant that things
have
no changed, for better or worse.
Let's be honest, last night was an off night. Nothing more, nothing
less.
I wasn't completely in the game because I wasn't feeling well and that
really hampered things.
I also just realized that I forgot to have Erebus tell you something
that I
needed the group to know. Damn.
We are going to have these every now and then. I think it is standing
out
so much because we don't often have these kind of nights with this
group and
since we only play once a week, it makes each session that much more
important.
Hopefully I'll be feeling better next week and I can pull off my plan
better.
One thing I would caution though, in the weeks and months to come, as
the
party delves deeper into this and finds more things out, please remember
that retreat and regroup is an option. Too often we tend to think that
the
DM won't kill the entire party or that the party can take anything,
especially with eight characters. (I know we did that with the Riders
on a
few occasions.) You may be able to do a direct assault and take out
all of
the bad guys in one shot and be done, but I would SERIOUSLY doubt that
would
happen. As players, just don't make the mistake of thinking that your
characters will be able to triumph over anything. Unless your character
thinks that! I'm not saying not to roleplay. If your character would
legitimately not retreat from a certain situation, that is fine, just
remember that it is an option. It's not so much that the party is
being set
up to fail, it's just that it may take more than one big hurrah to end
this.
:)
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Deibler [mailto:rdeibler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 12:05 PM
To: dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Re: Tuesday morning review
It changes how Tori looks at him now but the trust factor is still not
there. It was a bummer we had to leave when we did she just killed the
one
on Kage and it woudl have been intresting to see what would transire
after
that. The mood and time is lost for next week but it would have been
intresting, Even though he is a "druid" she still assisted all other
characters first then went to Kage, She is looking at his diffrently
but at
the same time he is still Kage and has done nothing her book to mark a
dramatic new start. His story could just be that a story. The fact he
is a
nature lover might be a a notch in teh favorable direction but there is
teh
last few days to get over and that real bad first impression. To her thi
scould all be a test, and just because Ivan checked him (if he is
indeed a
paladin), he did give off an evil tendency. So she will have to keep an
eye
on him. They really did not have time to talk in length to make any new
assesment on each other.
Make any sense...
-----Original Message-----
From: Damon Kline [mailto:damon.kline@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tue 12/3/2002 11:53 AM
To: 'dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
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Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Re: Tuesday morning review
I do agree with John, in that last night just didn't hit the
mark as
we
usually do. Matt was not feeling well and I was getting the
beginnings of
what he has. (Which I now have in full.) :) I know that Jim
was
distracted due to issues at home and at work.
Are these excuses for a very off night? Perhaps, but I believe
that
we have
overcome other things like this in the past. I think that the
biggest
problem that we faced was that I was not into it last night.
Because I
wasn't feeling well, I wasn't thinking sharply. About half-way
through the
fight at the end, I realized that John had no characters there
and
was
basically sitting there doing nothing. That is certainly not
the
kind of
time that I had in mind.
Role-playing was off, big time, but I think that was due to a
few
circumstances. Matt was not feeling well at all and that hurt
his
characters, because he couldn't bring them across as vividly as
he
normally
does. With the exception of Neris playing up that wound in the
fight, that
was great. I think also that John came in with the expectation
that
a big
revelation or change was going to happen. Understandable,
since we
did hype
it up in that way throughout the week. When he found out that
it
was just
some stupid info from Erebus and Kage getting turned into a
druid
again, he
was let down and his characters showed that. When Kage tried to
explain
things about what had happened, Cullen and Whilce were both like
"Whatever,
we're bored, who cares." I think that was a reflection of
John's
disappointment at the revelation. Truly, it was more of a
revelation for
Kage than for anyone else, but I think it will have some
interesting
effects
on the group dynamic. It changes how Tori and Kage interact, it
changes
Kage's spell selections, his ability to swap spells for healing
and
his
ability to turn undead. It will affect his personality, which
affects the
group as well. Now, these things are more subtle changes, so
there
really
wasn't any big revelation. Perhaps it shouldn't have been
built up
as much.
In the end, it is my responsibility to "take charge" and make
sure
everyone
has a good time. Now, certainly even if I am doing a good job,
if
the
players aren't into it, it hurts. But, if the DM isn't into it,
unless you
want a night of complete character driven role-playing, no one
is
going to
have a good time.
-----Original Message-----
From: Johnathan Detrick [mailto:jdetrick@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 11:43 AM
To: dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Re: Tuesday morning review
Yeah, I guess you could take the e-mail as singling you out
as
the
problem child. Not intentional, that's for sure. There isn't
any
way
that one person could be responsible for a night like last
night.
It
takes group suckiness to sink to the depths we sank to.
I'm sure that I probably had a worse time of it than anyone
else,
but then, I also spent the end of the night doing nothing.
jimkaren@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> Well, I feel a bit better, anyway. If
> you read your original email, it sure
> does look that way! :)
>
> To be honest, on two occasions last
> night, I felt like I was focusing too
> much on your characters to the
> detriment of Matt and Bobby. And I
> didn't mean what I said about "stopping
> playing to download stuff" seriously -
> I was just amazed at what's possible on
> PCs in an area that I was never aware
> of.
>
> It wasn't personal - Karen suffers from
> my geek syndrome all the time. :)
>
> My biggest concern is identifying areas
> where we can improve to keep everyone
> interested - I can help by remaining
> focused. I have one confession to
> make, though - it's really tough for me
> to make the time to read the 3rd
> edition books.
>
> If I could do that, I'd also be
> certified on about half a dozen
> technical areas as well. I'm just
> interested in too much stuff, with too
> little time to read everything. I'll
> always have characters who can't even
> use their own feats -
>
> >
> > I didn't mean to single you out
> as being the one that was a
> > problem. When I was writing it, when
> I was there last night, and when I
> > was driving home thinking about it,
> not once did I think, "Jim is the
> > problem." It was not in my mind.
> > You are correct, we do get
> together to have fun. But in the end, I
> > did not have fun last night.
> Usually, when I leave after we play, I
> > have had a blast. Last night, when I
> left, I had about three things I
> > would rather have done with my
> night. And that depressed me.
> > Again, I don't single Jim out.
> That wouldn't be accurate and it
> > wouldn't be fair.
> >
> > jimkaren@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, you definitely got me on that
> > > one. I have to admit, Matt made me
> > > aware of something that really blew
> me
> > > away - it was just an honest
> reaction.
> > > I was also a bit petrified about job
> > > security last night - a lame excuse
> in
> > > a sense, but it was a distraction.
> > >
> > > I noticed in your original email
> that
> > > Matt & Damon were exempted for being
> > > ill, and that Bobby did what you
> > > expected - sorry for letting you
> down.
> > > But bottom line, aren't we just
> getting
> > > together to have fun anyway?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > There was some role-playing
> > > towards the end of the evening, but
> it
> > > > was not important enough to
> warrant
> > > my presence. I can at least name
> > > > one time you ignored me. Cullen
> was
> > > addressing the group, and during
> > > > that you and Matt started looking
> at
> > > the computer and discussing it.
> > > >
> > > > jimkaren@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I agree it wasn't the best
> night,
> > > but I
> > > > > thought it went OK, anyway. Do
> you
> > > > > mean ignored role-playing wise,
> or
> > > > > ignored story/interaction wise?
> > > > >
> > > > > At least on my part, I remember
> Kage
> > > > > interacting with Cullen about
> the
> > > fight
> > > > > the last time, and Alturo with
> > > Cullen
> > > > > about the use of "fascinate".
> > > > >
> > > > > Kage also tried to start a
> > > discussion
> > > > > about Thor with Whilce -
> mostly, I'm
> > > > > trying to find out how I ignored
> > > you?
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Synopsis:
> > > > > > After the battle last time
> > > with
> > > > > the driders, the Sigil was
> > > > > > discussing the need for
> > > leadership.
> > > > > During the discussion, Erebus
> > > > > > appeared in an illusionary
> form.
> > > > > Apparently it was difficult and
> > > > > > painful for him to manifest,
> but
> > > he
> > > > > was able to inform the group
> that
> > > > > > they were not on Toril. He
> also
> > > told
> > > > > them that the menace they had
> been
> > > > > > formed to defeat was on the
> same
> > > > > plane they were. Before more
> could
> > > be
> > > > > > revealed, Erebus appeared to
> > > shrivel
> > > > > up and implode into a pile of
> > > > > > leaves. Those leaves then
> formed
> > > > > into the visage of the god
> Fenrys,
> > > who
> > > > > > seized Kage, removing his
> powers
> > > as a
> > > > > cleric, and restoring him to a
> > > > > > druid.
> > > > > > Somewhat startled, the
> party
> > > > > decided to continue on their
> way to
> > > the
> > > > > > ilithid camp, hoping to learn
> more
> > > > > about how to reach the surface,
> as
> > > > > > well as information on Lo
> Pan, who
> > > > > appeared to be worshipped on
> this
> > > > > > world as a deity. Elizabeth
> had
> > > > > found some charts and notes in
> the
> > > > > > captain's cabin on board the
> ship
> > > the
> > > > > Sigil had used when they first
> > > > > > appeared on this world, which
> > > > > suggested that the people on the
> > > ship
> > > > > had
> > > > > > also been followers of Lo Pan.
> > > > > Deciding he was the menace the
> > > group had
> > > > > > been created to destroy, they
> > > needed
> > > > > to learn all they could about
> him.
> > > > > > The group continued
> through
> > > the
> > > > > caverns, until they reached a
> side
> > > > > > cavern. Tori, Neiris and Kage
> > > > > decided to quickly scout it out,
> > > while
> > > > > > the others continued. They
> found
> > > a
> > > > > series of rooms, connected
> > > > > > vertically by holes in the
> floors
> > > and
> > > > > ceilings. Kage explored them,
> > > > > > only to encounter a beholder.
> > > > > Fleeing, he engaged some of the
> > > > > > beholder's minions in combat,
> and
> > > he
> > > > > managed to defeat them, with the
> > > > > > help of Tori and Neiris.
> Soon the
> > > > > party was reunited.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't know that
> discussing
> > > last
> > > > > night in great detail is
> > > > > > necessary, or that anyone
> really
> > > > > wants to. In my opinion, it was
> > > > > > certainly the worst night we
> have
> > > had
> > > > > since we started playing the
> Sigil
> > > > > > again, and possibly the worst
> > > night
> > > > > we have ever had playing the
> Sigil
> > > > > > (and I'm not exaggerating).
> For
> > > me,
> > > > > it boils down to one sentence; I
> > > > > > could have not shown up last
> > > night,
> > > > > and it would have made no
> > > > > > difference. I tried to role-
> play
> > > > > with the group, and was totally
> > > > > > ignored (except for Bobby;
> thank
> > > you
> > > > > for role-playing with me), and
> of
> > > > > > course, I sat and did nothing
> for
> > > the
> > > > > final 70 minutes, while everyone
> > > > > > else fought the beholder's
> > > minions.
> > > > > > To be fair, Matt and Damon
> > > > > weren't feeling well. But it
> was a
> > > > > > depressing night for me. I
> was
> > > in a
> > > > > great mood all day long, so it
> was
> > > > > > quite a letdown for me.
> > > > > > If anyone wishes to
> discuss
> > > last
> > > > > night, please let me know.
> > > > > > Otherwise, I'm going to leave
> it
> > > > > at, "It sucked", and walk away.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
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