[dungeoncrawl] Re: Tsk, tsk! :)

  • From: Johnathan Detrick <jdetrick@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 09:05:15 -0400

    Here's the real question, in my mind.  Why would Talos have known?
If the NPC villain has a spell cast on them, and the party tries to
dispel it, we don't know if we succeeded or not, or if the spell is
still active.  Why would Talos have known?

jimkaren@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

> I think you're partial, as you
> mentioned, since it's one of your
> characters - it's been too long since
> I've seen Nadan in any sort of use when
> I've DMed.  During the past few years,
> his only real use has been as an NPC.
>
> But that's not the point - a few months
> ago, when I started DMing heavily
> again, I made a request for extra help
> from the players when it comes to
> rules.  I'd wanted at the time to have
> someone help with magic, or 3rd edition
> rules, or whatever - not because I have
> no interest or discipline to learn them
> on my own, but because I have little
> time to look at anything anymore
> regarding the game.
>
> I do take time during the week to
> prepare for the next session, and to
> think things through, but that's about
> it.  I'll never have a chance to really
> learn the game - I didn't even know how
> dispel magic works these days.
>
> But I'd rather trust everyone to help
> me and keep things moving, rather than
> stop the action every time some obscure
> spell is cast to read it lest
> someone "pull a fast one" on me.
>
> And it did bother me a bit that I tried
> so hard to give the characters a chance
> last night - I even gave Baish a second
> saving throw to avoid death.  And since
> you were playing the two most powerful
> characters in the group last night, it
> seemed a bit uncharitable to think that
> they needed even more help to seem like
> they deserved to win -
>
> >
> >     I'm sorry Jim.  It wasn't my
> intention to snooker you.  But I've
> used that
> > spell many, many times in the past,
> in all sorts of situations, and that has
> > always been the overriding drawback
> it has; it only lasts one round.  I
> guess I
> > figured that if you had been paying
> any attention whatsoever in the past to
> what
> > Nadan was doing, you would have
> remembered.  But I guess I'm partial
> since it's
> > one of my characters.  Maybe nobody
> realized that the spell was only one
> round.
> > I'm curious if Damon knew.
> >     At the time, I just assumed that
> Talos wouldn't know either.  Why would
> he?
> > After all, it is a unique spell
> granted by a different power.  It's not
> a divine
> > spell that Talos could grant, and is
> he really conversant on the unique
> spells
> > that all of the rest of his pantheon
> grant?  I would say no, just as I doubt
> > Lathander knows the particulars of
> everything Talos offers his clerics.
> >     I don't want to sound harsh, so I
> did send this out to the group.  Damon,
> > Matt, Shawn, Bobby, Keith?  Bueller?
> What do you think?  Was I wrong in not
> > alerting the DM to this rule?  I'd
> love to hear some other opinions.
> >
> > Jim and Karen wrote:
> >
> > > John,
> > >
> > > I'm not trying to give you a hard
> time, but I feel a bit snookered
> tonight!
> > > :)
> > >
> > > It shows you how slow I am that it
> just occurred to me, an hour and a half
> > > later, exactly what happened with
> Nadan's "Boon of Lathander" spell.  I
> > > didn't have too much problem at the
> time with being permitted to continue
> > > thinking that the spell was in
> effect for several rounds after it
> ended, but
> > > the more I thought about it, it
> sort of bugs me.
> > >
> > > After all, I gave Baish a second
> saving throw, and concentrated most of
> the
> > > damage from Talos on my own
> character.
> > >
> > > But when I tried to have Talos
> dispel the "spell" Nadan had cast, it
> would
> > > have been a good time to mention
> that it wasn't even in effect.  After
> all,
> > > I even gave Quasit every possible
> chance to get rid of the god in the
> first
> > > place.
> > >
> > > One reason I didn't send this to
> Damon and Matt is because I didn't want
> to
> > > seem like I was taking you to task
> for this - I think instead that maybe
> you
> > > don't realize just how limited my
> rules understanding is. :)  I just don't
> > > have time to read enough - when it
> comes down to it, it's not even a
> > > guarantee that the spell should
> even exist in 3rd edition anymore.
> > >
> > > I guess what I'm mostly looking for
> is a change from how things are
> > > currently done to a situation where
> we collaborate more - I want the
> > > characters to have a slight edge,
> but I'd like to at least know that they
> > > have it.  Otherwise, it's tough for
> me to extend too much benefit of the
> > > doubt - I need to know that I can
> count on you guys to bolster my
> > > nonexistent knowlege of the rules -
> >
> >
> >

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