[dungeoncrawl] Re: Thursday Morning Review
- From: jimkaren@xxxxxxxxxxxx
- To: dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:23:19 US/Eastern
OK, good. We'll go with that strategy
then. Next week, let's continue with
the group in the sewers. It will allow
me more time to plan, and that will
help in the long run. Maybe we'll wrap
both groups up by new year's - we'll
see.
>
> I tend to agree with Damon. I
think, by limiting our time with these
> groups, it may actually heighten
tension and drama.
>
> Damon Kline wrote:
>
> > In my opinion, I think that is the
better option. I think we need to limit
> > the amount of time we spend on
these adventures. We have already
decided
> > that we are going to get to a new
campaign and start fresh. In order to
do
> > that, we need to clear the table of
the existing campaigns. Right now,
> > those are The Sigil, The Riders and
The Mini-Riders. Technically we started
> > the Chosen again for nights that
you weren't around due to volunteering,
but
> > we can still keep them for
occasions when we can't reschedule for
some
> > reason.
> >
> > If you can clear off the Riders and
the Mini-Riders in the next few months,
> > then I can finish off the Sigil
after that. At that point, we will
have no
> > campaigns on our plate and we can
start fresh.
> >
> > I think that in the end, it will
make things much easier for us and much
> > more enjoyable.
> >
> > Plus, I kind of like the idea of a
mad dash towards the goal!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jimkaren@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jimkaren@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002
11:38 AM
> > To: dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx;
dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Re:
Thursday Morning Review
> >
> > No - I think my plot is taking on a
> > life of its own. It could just as
> > easily work as a more
straightforward,
> > but far more dangerous, race to the
> > finish. Is that the better option
> > here? This is pretty much still in
my
> > head - let me know what the group
> > consensus is!
> >
> > >
> > > Hmm. While everything sounds
> > exciting, I thought that we had
agreed
> > > to put the Riders on the back
burner
> > and just do them for a few months.
> > > I thought we were going to run a
> > shorter plot for them, and then
just do
> > > short "movies" for them after
that?
> > I can't say that I'm real
> > > interested in a prolonged Riders
> > campaign. Am I confused? Did I
> > > misunderstand what we talked about
> > before?
> > >
> > > jimkaren@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hmm. Good question! It's
going to
> > > > take a while.
> > > >
> > > > For starters, the low-level guys
> > have
> > > > to complete their quest for
Sonya's
> > > > soul. That will take 1-2
sessions
> > for
> > > > the current leg (possibly an
extra
> > > > one).
> > > >
> > > > Then there will be 1-3 sessions
for
> > the
> > > > next leg of that mission.
> > > >
> > > > After, they're looking at
Sinjen's
> > > > situation, I presume. That's
hard
> > to
> > > > predict right now - it depends
on
> > what
> > > > they do. To be safe, figure 4
> > weeks.
> > > >
> > > > And then there's Ilana and
Kilian.
> > Not
> > > > so easy to predict - future more
> > > > cloudy, it is.
> > > >
> > > > All together, if we just did
that
> > > > group, we'd have plenty to play
with
> > > > until Christmas.
> > > >
> > > > By the way, John - is it a safe
> > > > assumption that Magnus will stop
> > > > copying spells for Master
Lothar?
> > > >
> > > > OK, the other groups. We have
no
> > > > active plans to DM Marnie's
inquest
> > for
> > > > now, but that may change -
fast -
> > > > depending on Keith's
availability.
> > And
> > > > we'd also deal at that time with
> > Zann,
> > > > or whoever Keith may be
interested
> > in
> > > > using at the time.
> > > >
> > > > The "higher powered" group could
> > take a
> > > > couple of directions. If they
> > decide
> > > > to track down Celane, it could
take
> > > > several weeks. If they decide
to
> > try
> > > > to locate the world on their
own, it
> > > > could also take a while. They
> > could of
> > > > course try other options -
hunting
> > down
> > > > the Black Legion, or learning
more
> > > > about Dr. Klaw, for example.
I'd
> > give
> > > > the whole shebang at least
several
> > > > months to finish.
> > > >
> > > > All told, I could easily keep
DMing
> > > > until at least next summer -
> > > >
> > > > > I am honestly looking forward
to
> > it.
> > > > I do have one question though.
Do
> > you
> > > > > have any idea how long it will
> > take
> > > > you to get both of these groups
to a
> > > > > point where you would consider
> > > > them "finished"?
> > > > >
> > > > > I am just curious, because I
would
> > > > like to know how much time I
have
> > until
> > > > I
> > > > > start DMing the Sigil to their
> > > > conclusion. Also, has anyone
> > thought
> > > > anymore
> > > > > on what we are going to do
once
> > the
> > > > Sigil is completed? I know we
won't
> > > > > really need to decide that
until
> > we
> > > > get there, but assuming that Jim
> > DM's
> > > > > for a few more months and
then I
> > DM
> > > > the Sigil to their conclusion, I
> > foresee
> > > > > them ending sometime before
the
> > end
> > > > of the year next year. Possibly
> > around
> > > > > this time frame. So, we most
> > likely
> > > > have a year to decide what we
want
> > to
> > > > > do, but I was just curious if
> > anyone
> > > > had any ideas. Especially with
the
> > > > > idea that some of the Riders
> > might be
> > > > deities by that point, we could
even
> > > > > play around with the new
world.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyway, I wanted to get a
heads up
> > > > from you Jim, just so I can
continue
> > > > > planning with a time frame in
> > mind of
> > > > when I'll need to be ready by.
> > > > >
> > > > > I can't wait to play either
of the
> > > > groups together again. The
mini-
> > riders
> > > > > have an interesting mix of
> > characters
> > > > and personalities that makes
them
> > very
> > > > > fun to play. The riders are
> > always
> > > > interesting, especially because
> > they can
> > > > > kick some major tuckus and
they
> > will
> > > > have to if they want to make it
to
> > the
> > > > > prize.
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: jimkaren@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:jimkaren@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 05,
2002
> > > > 10:17 AM
> > > > > To: dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Re:
> > Thursday
> > > > Morning Review
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, next week should
definitely
> > be
> > > > > more action-oriented. I'd
really
> > > > like
> > > > > to continue the adventure to
help
> > > > Sonya
> > > > > find her soul. When that is
done,
> > > > the
> > > > > group will be heading back to
the
> > > > Green
> > > > > Mill - an excellent time to
> > > > springboard
> > > > > to the other group if we want
to.
> > > > That
> > > > > might be at the end of next
week,
> > but
> > > > > the following week at the
latest.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Okay, I'm back! I missed
the
> > > > > beginning of the conversation,
> > but I
> > > > can
> > > > > > participate now. I echo
John's
> > > > > sentiments about the
individual
> > role
> > > > > > playing. It does tend to
take
> > away
> > > > > from the momentum of the
night and
> > > > from
> > > > > > the mood that is set. If
two
> > > > people
> > > > > aren't into the game, then
they
> > can't
> > > > > > help establish the mood and
end
> > up
> > > > > detracting from it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I did enjoy watching Mylena
go
> > > > around
> > > > > and collect the Riders though.
> > It was
> > > > > > fun to watch and Jim did a
great
> > > > job
> > > > > of making it entertaining. I
> > would
> > > > say
> > > > > > that it would have been more
> > fun to
> > > > > get to play the characters
> > together.
> > > > > > Certainly that is more fun
than
> > > > > watching other people role-
play
> > for
> > > > long
> > > > > > periods of time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I can also say that over the
> > past
> > > > two
> > > > > weeks my enthusiasm has
lessened,
> > > > > > simply because we didn't
really
> > get
> > > > > much of a chance to work with
the
> > > > > > characters together as a
> > group. We
> > > > > are still getting things "set
up"
> > and
> > > > > > the set up stage is the most
> > > > tedious
> > > > > and least exciting from a
group
> > > > dynamic
> > > > > > standpoint. But, I look
> > forward to
> > > > > the next few weeks as we get
to
> > see
> > > > the
> > > > > > groups in action.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Johnathan Detrick
> > > > > [mailto:jdetrick@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, September
05,
> > 2002
> > > > > 1:21 PM
> > > > > > To:
dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Re:
> > > > Thursday
> > > > > Morning Review
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You have certainly
given her
> > > > tons
> > > > > of style. I'm interested to
see
> > > > > > her in action with the
Riders.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > jimkaren@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have to say also that I
> > really
> > > > > had no
> > > > > > > idea if Mylena was going
to
> > > > > succeed -
> > > > > > > especially at the end.
All
> > of my
> > > > > > > expectations had Rig doing
> > all of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > work, and her doing the
> > > > > transportation
> > > > > > > afterwards.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > She could have easily been
> > killed
> > > > by
> > > > > > > Baish, if things had gone
> > > > > differently,
> > > > > > > or especially by Nadan.
> > Gadget
> > > > > never
> > > > > > > got the chance, and I was
> > really
> > > > > > > relieved that he didn't.
I
> > don't
> > > > > even
> > > > > > > want to think about it if
> > Marnie
> > > > and
> > > > > > > Escrima weren't my own
> > characters
> > > > > near
> > > > > > > the end there.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On a personal note, my
> > favorite
> > > > > moment
> > > > > > > (one of them, anyway), was
> > when
> > > > > Nadan
> > > > > > > made a very real threat to
> > finish
> > > > > her
> > > > > > > off and she said "Hold on
a
> > > > minute,
> > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > thinking." Very
Swordfish, if
> > > > you
> > > > > ask
> > > > > > > me!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Oh thank God! I
feel so
> > > > much
> > > > > > > better! I wanted to make
> > sure you
> > > > > > > > understand that I truly
> > respect
> > > > > your
> > > > > > > skills as a DM, but I did
> > want to
> > > > > > > > make my feelings known.
> > > > > > > > I thought that
Mylena
> > > > > returning
> > > > > > > was you trying to get us
to
> > do it
> > > > > > > > ourselves, and I almost
did.
> > > > > > > However, Magnus had used
> > Mylena
> > > > in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > first place just so he
> > didn't
> > > > > have to
> > > > > > > do it himself. He
figured,
> > if he
> > > > > > > > started going after
people
> > now,
> > > > > why
> > > > > > > bother to use her at all?
> > > > > > > > Anyway, I already
feel
> > > > better
> > > > > > > about next week. I'm
anxious
> > to
> > > > > play
> > > > > > > > again.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > jimkaren@xxxxxxxxxxxx
wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Nah, you're right.
I'm
> > really
> > > > > > > > > committed to the long-
term
> > > > > story arc
> > > > > > > > > that I envision, but
it's
> > > > > important
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > me that the foundation
> > not be
> > > > > > > > > undermined to rush to
the
> > good
> > > > > > > stuff.
> > > > > > > > > Last night, I went in
> > > > assuming
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > after the first two or
> > three
> > > > > > > characters
> > > > > > > > > got free, they'd get
> > together
> > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > Magnus and take care
of
> > the
> > > > > rest on
> > > > > > > > > their own
(eliminating any
> > > > need
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > individual
roleplaying).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > That's one reason why
> > Mylena
> > > > > came
> > > > > > > back
> > > > > > > > > partway thru - she
thought
> > > > that
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > group only needed her
to
> > get
> > > > > them
> > > > > > > > > started, and they'd
take
> > it
> > > > from
> > > > > > > > > there. Still,
though, it
> > was
> > > > > > > important
> > > > > > > > > to me that the
characters
> > come
> > > > > > > together
> > > > > > > > > in a plausible way -
after
> > > > all,
> > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > were put on the
planes in
> > a
> > > > > manner
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > made it tough to
leave,
> > and I
> > > > > didn't
> > > > > > > > > want to make that seem
> > like a
> > > > > > > trivial
> > > > > > > > > limitation.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I don't foresee any
need
> > for
> > > > > nights
> > > > > > > > > like the last few
down the
> > > > > road -
> > > > > > > > > actually, if it does
> > happen,
> > > > > I'll be
> > > > > > > > > banging my head on the
> > wall
> > > > to
> > > > > keep
> > > > > > > > > things moving - but it
> > does
> > > > seem
> > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > it's becoming the
norm.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I guess the stakes
are so
> > > > high
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > we're doing with
> > > > the "powerful"
> > > > > > > group,
> > > > > > > > > that I want to make
sure
> > the
> > > > > group
> > > > > > > > > earns their victory -
> > warts
> > > > and
> > > > > all.
> > > > > > > > > The last thing we
need is
> > for
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > characters to easily
> > obtain
> > > > > godhood,
> > > > > > > > > and then for us as
> > players to
> > > > > find
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > whole thing so
> > unsatisfying
> > > > > that we
> > > > > > > > > look for ways to make
them
> > > > > mortal
> > > > > > > again.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Definitely open to
> > > > suggestions -
> > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > actually planning on
> > emailing
> > > > > Shawn
> > > > > > > B.
> > > > > > > > > soon (hee hee) to get
guru
> > > > level
> > > > > > > advice
> > > > > > > > > on my long term
plans, but
> > > > it's
> > > > > > > > > important most of all
that
> > > > > everyone
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > having fun when we get
> > > > > together -
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ok, I'm going to
> > start
> > > > by
> > > > > > > being
> > > > > > > > > honest. I have been
> > debating
> > > > > how to
> > > > > > > > > > respond to Jim's e-
mail,
> > > > > which may
> > > > > > > > > seem odd, since I am
the
> > cold
> > > > > > > hearted
> > > > > > > > > > bastard of the group
> > and I
> > > > > usually
> > > > > > > > > have no problem being
> > > > honest.
> > > > > My
> > > > > > > > > > concern is that I
know
> > that
> > > > > Jim
> > > > > > > is a
> > > > > > > > > superior DM, and I
don't
> > want
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > taken the wrong way.
> > That
> > > > > being
> > > > > > > > > said, I didn't enjoy
last
> > > > night
> > > > > as
> > > > > > > much
> > > > > > > > > > as I had hoped to.
> > > > > > > > > > I think the
thing
> > that
> > > > > really
> > > > > > > > > killed me was the
second
> > week
> > > > > in a
> > > > > > > row
> > > > > > > > > > of individual role-
> > > > playing.
> > > > > It
> > > > > > > seems
> > > > > > > > > to be a common thread
for
> > us,
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure how we
> > became
> > > > > caught
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > the trap. Three weeks
> > ago,
> > > > > before
> > > > > > > > > > the Riders fought
Rig,
> > Jim
> > > > had
> > > > > > > > > brought the subject up
> > with
> > > > > me. I
> > > > > > > had
> > > > > > > > > > advised against
it. He
> > > > > decided
> > > > > > > to do
> > > > > > > > > it anyway, and he did
some
> > > > > > > > > > individual role-
playing
> > with
> > > > > > > Ilana,
> > > > > > > > > Kilian, Valeria and
the
> > > > group.
> > > > > And
> > > > > > > > > > it went very well.
Jim
> > > > jumped
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > one player to another
and
> > > > kept
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > sessions short. He
had
> > > > > proved me
> > > > > > > > > wrong; individual
role-
> > > > playing
> > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > work, and he went
on to
> > DM
> > > > > one of
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > best nights of D&D we
have
> > > > had
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > a long time. He
also
> > left
> > > > me
> > > > > > > feeling
> > > > > > > > > incredibly positive
and
> > > > excited
> > > > > > > > > > about the future. I
> > > > believe,
> > > > > if
> > > > > > > Jim
> > > > > > > > > had suggested it, I
would
> > have
> > > > > > > > > > called off work, and
> > told
> > > > > Brad I
> > > > > > > > > wasn't coming home,
and
> > then
> > > > > > > barricaded
> > > > > > > > > > myself in the
basement
> > for
> > > > the
> > > > > > > next
> > > > > > > > > three weeks straight
to
> > see
> > > > > what Jim
> > > > > > > > > > had planned.
> > > > > > > > > > Then last week
> > > > happened.
> > > > > We
> > > > > > > did
> > > > > > > > > almost all individual
> > role-
> > > > > playing,
> > > > > > > > > > and it caused the
night
> > to
> > > > > slow
> > > > > > > > > down. I know that
when I
> > > > left
> > > > > last
> > > > > > > > > > week, my enthusiasm
had
> > > > > dimmed a
> > > > > > > > > little, but I was
still
> > > > excited.
> > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, last
> > night
> > > > was
> > > > > > > more of
> > > > > > > > > the same. I had hoped
> > that
> > > > Jim
> > > > > > > > > > would quickly
gather the
> > > > party
> > > > > > > and we
> > > > > > > > > could be off.
Instead,
> > each
> > > > > > > > > > individual
character was
> > > > > gathered.
> > > > > > > > > It took almost all
night.
> > > > And
> > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > afraid it drained my
> > > > > enthusiasm
> > > > > > > even
> > > > > > > > > more.
> > > > > > > > > > I'm still
looking
> > > > forward
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > where Jim is going
with
> > this
> > > > > plot.
> > > > > > > As
> > > > > > > > > > we saw three weeks
ago,
> > he
> > > > > can DM
> > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > adventure better than
> > most,
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > deliver us a great
> > night of
> > > > > role-
> > > > > > > > > playing. But I fear
that
> > the
> > > > > last
> > > > > > > two
> > > > > > > > > > weeks have leeched
some
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > momentum he had going.
> > It's
> > > > > going
> > > > > > > to be
> > > > > > > > > > more work on
everyone's
> > > > part
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > get
> > > > > > > > > us back to the fever
> > pitch we
> > > > > were
> > > > > > > > > > in a few weeks ago.
> > > > > > > > > > Comments?
Please?
> > I
> > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > > intend to be overly
> > critical
> > > > of
> > > > > > > Jim. I
> > > > > > > > > > know how hard it
can be
> > to
> > > > DM
> > > > > (I
> > > > > > > am
> > > > > > > > > the person that has
had
> > more
> > > > > than
> > > > > > > > > > one campaign that I
put
> > a
> > > > lot
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > work
> > > > > > > > > into shot out from
under
> > me
> > > > when
> > > > > > > > > > the players said
that
> > they
> > > > > weren't
> > > > > > > > > interested), and I
know
> > Jim
> > > > can
> > > > > pull
> > > > > > > > > > it together. But
the
> > last
> > > > few
> > > > > > > weeks
> > > > > > > > > just haven't worked
for
> > me.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
jimkaren@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I don't know about
> > > > everyone
> > > > > > > else,
> > > > > > > > > but I
> > > > > > > > > > > had a good time
last
> > > > > night! It
> > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > > > odd night, in a
way,
> > as
> > > > > only one
> > > > > > > > > player
> > > > > > > > > > > was doing
anything at
> > any
> > > > > given
> > > > > > > time
> > > > > > > > > > > for most of it. I
> > didn't
> > > > > intend
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > at first, but
somehow
> > it
> > > > > worked.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The gist was
Magnus
> > sent
> > > > > > > Mylena, his
> > > > > > > > > > > alternate-reality
> > daughter
> > > > > > > (believe
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > or not, it all
makes
> > > > sense
> > > > > from
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > campaign
perspective)
> > > > > > > to "capture"
> > > > > > > > > > > certain Riders who
> > were
> > > > > > > imprisoned
> > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > the outer
planes. If
> > > > they
> > > > > left
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > their own free
will,
> > or
> > > > > > > knowingly,
> > > > > > > > > > > there was a
greater
> > > > chance
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > gods
> > > > > > > > > > > becoming offended
or
> > > > > realizing
> > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > happening.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > And since the gods
> > have no
> > > > > > > > > influence in
> > > > > > > > > > > the city of
Sigil, and
> > > > since
> > > > > > > Mylena
> > > > > > > > > > > technically never
> > existed
> > > > in
> > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > > > characters'
version of
> > > > > > > > > the "realms", it
> > > > > > > > > > > seemed plausible
that
> > her
> > > > > > > activities
> > > > > > > > > > > could go unnoticed
> > for a
> > > > > period
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > time.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > In the end, Mylena
> > > > > succeeded in
> > > > > > > > > > > capturing most of
the
> > > > Riders
> > > > > > > she was
> > > > > > > > > > > sent for after a
very
> > > > > difficult
> > > > > > > > > > > struggle. She
> > exhausted
> > > > > Rig,
> > > > > > > my now
> > > > > > > > > > > very-deceased evil
> > 17th
> > > > > level
> > > > > > > > > > > gladiator, five
> > powerful
> > > > > > > mercenary
> > > > > > > > > > > githyanki, and
almost
> > > > > herself
> > > > > > > to do
> > > > > > > > > > > it. She used
sheer
> > power,
> > > > > > > > > treachery,
> > > > > > > > > > > luck, or whatever
it
> > > > would
> > > > > take
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > pull
> > > > > > > > > > > it off, and it was
> > fun to
> > > > > see in
> > > > > > > > > action
> > > > > > > > > > > since I didn't
have a
> > > > > definite
> > > > > > > > > outcome
> > > > > > > > > > > in mind.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I thought about
> > forcing
> > > > > > > characters
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > be captured last
> > night,
> > > > but
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > end,
> > > > > > > > > > > I would be
helping the
> > > > > Riders to
> > > > > > > > > win.
> > > > > > > > > > > And that wouldn't
be
> > > > fair.
> > > > > It
> > > > > > > may
> > > > > > > > > > > sound like a "yeah
> > sure"
> > > > > thing,
> > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > group's rivals
(like
> > > > > Celane, the
> > > > > > > > > Black
> > > > > > > > > > > Legion, and maybe
Dr.
> > > > Klaw)
> > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > have a
> > > > > > > > > > > chance to succeed.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > So the Riders
ended up
> > > > > > > prisoners of
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > Dustmen faction in
> > Sigil's
> > > > > > > Mortuary
> > > > > > > > > (as
> > > > > > > > > > > Mylena is a member
> > there -
> > > > > > > > > apparently,
> > > > > > > > > > > she's at least
partly
> > a
> > > > > > > > > necromancer).
> > > > > > > > > > > They were released
> > > > > > > simultaneously
> > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > gas-filled iron
> > caskets,
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > > proceeded
> > > > > > > > > > > to deal with their
> > > > > situation.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > In the end, Magnus
> > got a
> > > > > core
> > > > > > > group
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > agree to his
crusade.
> > > > Some
> > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > > characters
offered to
> > help
> > > > > > > Marnie
> > > > > > > > > (my
> > > > > > > > > > > swashbuckler)
search
> > for
> > > > her
> > > > > > > > > husband,
> > > > > > > > > > > Surrote, who had
gone
> > > > > missing
> > > > > > > on his
> > > > > > > > > > > own and couldn't
be
> > > > located
> > > > > by
> > > > > > > > > Mylena.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Ambrosia
preferred to
> > > > remain
> > > > > > > > > retired,
> > > > > > > > > > > running her new
inn,
> > and
> > > > > > > the "lower
> > > > > > > > > > > level" riders
that we
> > > > used
> > > > > last
> > > > > > > week
> > > > > > > > > > > are still doing
their
> > own
> > > > > thing.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > And that is where
we
> > > > ended.
> > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts/comments?
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