[dungeoncrawl] Re: Character stats
- From: Damon Kline <damon.kline@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "'dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 15:22:29 -0400
What level is Quincy? I think you mentioned it on Wednesday night, but I
can't remember. First level is usually tough, although 3rd edition doesn't
seem as bad as 2nd edition when it comes to picking spells at certain
levels. I remember 2nd level being a pain in the butt to try and find
spells in 2nd edition.
My problem with low level spells is usually that most of them are the kind
of spell that really isn't that useful, but you never know when you might
need something like it. Then I end up with too many choices, trying to
figure out what type of situation we might run into that would require
certain spells and that sort of thing.
-----Original Message-----
From: Johnathan Detrick [mailto:jdetrick@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 3:17 PM
To: dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Re: Character stats
Quincy has four metamagic feats (Empower, Extend, Maximize and Quicken).
I
hope to use them more and more as he increases in level. I'm giving the
current
spell list a trial period of a few adventures. Then I'll go through and
rearrange it. My only problem is first level. I have some spell slots I'm
less
than happy with, but I don't know what to do with them, since I can't use
any
metamagic feats at that level.
Damon Kline wrote:
> I must admit to being pretty excited to see what these guys can do. At
> every spell level for Sinjen, I tried to do an equal mix of combat versus
> non-combat spells. However, the non-combat spells are mostly personal
> protection spells or things that can help him specifically. I felt that
> better suited his personality.
>
> Kilian on the other hand took mostly spells that could help the party.
> Either healing, summoning or other spells that could affect either the
party
> or their enemies. I don't know if I took any spells that he could cast
only
> on himself.
>
> A maximized Vampiric Touch is a great idea. I haven't assigned any of
> Sinjen's Spell Secrets yet. He only gets two, but I haven't decided on
> either one. I'm thinking of using the Extended Spell feat on a personal
> defense spell like Stoneskin or Lizardskin (oriental spell). That way it
> would last twice as long.
>
> I was also thinking, as he goes up in level, of giving him the Quicken
Spell
> feat, which allows you to cast a spell as a free action. That would be
cool
> to have a fireball memorized that way, because you could theoretically
cast
> two fireballs in the same round! Cool!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Johnathan Detrick [mailto:jdetrick@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 12:03 PM
> To: dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Re: Character stats
>
> Isn't it fun to see what your characters are capable of? I had some
of
> the
> most ludicrous spells for Quincy; who the hell would cast some of the
things
> he
> took? I'm hoping that I have a nice mix of combat and non-combat. He
does
> use
> some meta-magic feats, although not too many. Usually, I find a level
where
> I
> only have stupid spells, and see what lower level spells I can replace the
> stupid ones with. In his case, I maximized a vampiric touch, since the
> health
> could save his life at some time.
> That was a great idea that Jim had, using a separate character sheet
for
> Kilian when in super-hero mode. :) It should make it a lot easier for
you.
> I
> think these five will be pretty effective. Separately they are flawed and
> wussy, but together, they are mighty!
>
> Damon Kline wrote:
>
> > Great minds must think alike, as I have been working on my characters as
> > well. Sinjen just went up a level, which makes him a 7th level Wu
Jen/4th
> > level Monk. This gave him one extra 1st level spell and a 4th level
> spell,
> > plus his bonus spell at 4th level, which gives him two.
> >
> > However, one thing I have not done much with when using Wizards are the
> > metamagic feats. Sinjen only has one, but I'm trying to find a way to
use
> > it. At this point, he can't, because it would only allow him to
maximize
> a
> > 1st level spell because it requires it to be 3 levels higher. He
doesn't
> > want to give up a 4th level slot just yet, since he just got them. But,
> as
> > a Wu Jen, he has a cool ability. At 3rd level and every 3 levels after
> > that, he can use Spell Secret. He can choose any spell that he knows
and
> > apply one of four metamagic feats to it permanently. Those are Enlarge
> > spell, Extend spell, Silent spell and Still spell. They do not require
> you
> > to memorize the spell at one level higher as is normally the case and
the
> > effect is permanent for that spell. So, if he chooses to apply the
silent
> > feat to a magic missile, then any time he memorizes a magic missile
spell,
> > it is silent. I also revamped his spell list to give him more of an
> > oriental feel, using some of their unique spells. I don't know that
this
> > will do much, since most of their spells require you to hit and the
target
> > gets a save, but it will look cool. This character is always about
style.
> > :)
> >
> > I took Jim's advice and used a separate character sheet to make up
Kilian
> as
> > a 20th level druid for when he "summons the power of his father". I'm
> still
> > in the process of picking spells, but so far he should be pretty kick
ass
> > when he does this! I also changed his normal spell selection around.
> I've
> > wanted him to call upon nature's help by summoning animals, but they
> always
> > seem so useless against what we normally fight. However, I found spells
> > that I always overlooked because I couldn't figure out why you would use
> > them. The two that I found in particular were Greater Magic Fang and
> Animal
> > Growth. So as a tactic, Kilian could use Summon Nature's Ally V to
summon
> a
> > Dire Lion, which is a decent animal to have around, but not overly
> > threatening. Then he could cast Animal Growth on it which doubles its
> size
> > and hit dice. This increases its strength and it's base attack bonus
and
> > it's damage done. It increases its hit points and armor class as well.
> > Very useful spell. Then, Greater Magic Fang grants one natural attack
of
> a
> > creature a +1 for every 3 levels of the caster. Effectively making the
> > creature able to increase its ability to hit and do damage and override
> > damage reduction if the bonus is high enough.
> >
> > Now the downside to all of this, is that it would take him 3 rounds to
get
> > this in place. Since he is the party's main fighter at this point, that
> > might be a problem. But, we'll see how it goes.
> >
> > I am definitely excited to play these guys!!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Johnathan Detrick [mailto:jdetrick@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 11:31 AM
> > To: Riders II
> > Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Character stats
> >
> > I have spent the last few mornings before work going over Magnus,
> > Quincy and Ilana, since they are the current active characters I have.
> > I wanted to let Jim know what changed, since he is DMing. I also wanted
> > to show that I have accomplished all of the following, in time spurts of
> > 15 minutes each, in just a few days. Now, I love to create and fiddle
> > with characters; its one of my favorite parts of the game. But I have
> > always believed it leads me to enjoy the game more; when my characters
> > are at their best and everything is organized, I can play for hours.
> > And it's not about making them the most powerful character I can; it's
> > about choosing feats, skills and spells that fit their personality. In
> > the end, though, this does make them more effective, so the results are
> > still positive.
> > Ilana is now an 8th level cleric. I made no real changes here. One
> > of the things I decided for her was to make her a utility cleric. Since
> > she won't attack, I can forget all of the offensive cleric spells.
> > Instead, I'm trying to give her spells to allow her to aid the group in
> > any situation. Spells like Water Breathing, Freedom of Movement,
> > Neutralize Poison, Remove Disease, Dispel Magic, Restoration and the
> > like should enable her to help out in a variety of areas. I had pretty
> > much decided on that direction for her when I created her, and it's
> > helped me to give her purpose, and it helps me to know what to do with
> > her in combat. And it fits her personality perfectly.
> > Magnus isn't quite done yet, but as expected, he is now 21st level.
> > I've begun to raise him in level with the epic level book. Sadly, he
> > gets very little. I need to pick an epic feat for him and I am done.
> > I'll let Jim know what I choose.
> > Quincy took the most work (although it was still only about 30
> > minutes). He is one of those characters that I created a long time ago
> > with a strong idea, and then completely forgot about. I see him a lot
> > as Giles on Buffy. He's extremely intelligent and very inquisitive. He
> > is absolutely fascinated by undead and their like, but he doesn't use
> > undead, and he doesn't support them. He has some elements of Thaylone,
> > in that he is looking for a group to belong to and acceptance, but he's
> > not as concerned as Thaylone is about it. He's not a bad guy, but he
> > can be a little ruthless. Combine the love of knowledge from Zolkiir,
> > with the pragmatism of D'Alleva and the quest for acceptance of
> > Thaylone, throw in a little of Quent's cowardice, and a dash of
> > prissiness, and there you have him.
> > I had to completely overhaul his spell list. As some of you may be
> > aware, Necromancy (in my opinion) has some of the most useless spells
> > out there! Yeesh! It's even harder when you remove those spells that
> > animate undead. However, I decided to make up my own type of necromancy
> > spell list. Besides those spells that are actually necromantic spells,
> > I loaded him up with cold spells. To my mind, cold is the element most
> > associated with the dead (and please, let me know if you think I'm off
> > base), so I removed all fire spells and now all of his offensive spells
> > are cold. To me, he seems pretty cool, and I think his new spell list
> > will be very helpful! I can't wait to use him!
> > So that's where my characters stand, ready to go for next week. I
> > can't wait!
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