[dungeoncrawl] Re: Character stats
- From: Damon Kline <damon.kline@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "'dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 15:54:13 -0400
So she IS 12th! Well, John, you can add after all! Wow though, only 74 hit
points? I think Kilian has exactly 100. Which is almost maximum for his
level and Constitution bonus. And I think Sinjen has either 81 or 87,
again, this is almost max for his level, classes and Constitution bonus.
Of course, Kilian has needed the hit points, since up until this past
Wednesday, his AC has been 15. It's 20 now, thankfully.
I must just have really good rolls. Kilian's maximum possible is 110 and
Sinjen's is 93.
How many hit points does Illana have?
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt McKeehan [mailto:matt.mckeehan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 3:49 PM
To: 'dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Re: Character stats
Yeah sonya only has 74 hit points...
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-----Original Message-----
From: Johnathan Detrick [mailto:jdetrick@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 3:35 PM
To: dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Re: Character stats
Actually, he isn't the highest level member of the group. Sonya is also
12th level.
I wouldn't worry about it. He will not be overpowering. Most of his
spells
do smaller amounts of damage, and he only has 50 hit points. He's not too
tough
as a character.
Damon Kline wrote:
> He is the highest level member of the group. That is a good idea.
(Taking
> non-damaging spells at first level.) The only exception is usually magic
> missile. But most damaging spells at that level have a +1 per level
damage
> adjustment, with a maximum of +5. So, I certainly see what you mean.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Johnathan Detrick [mailto:jdetrick@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 3:27 PM
> To: dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Re: Character stats
>
> My goal with first level spells is to usually avoid damaging spells,
as
> they
> become useless at the levels we play at. I go for things like Spider
Climb.
> Quincy is 12th level, and just barely that. He won't be going up for
> some
> time.
>
> Damon Kline wrote:
>
> > What level is Quincy? I think you mentioned it on Wednesday night, but
I
> > can't remember. First level is usually tough, although 3rd edition
> doesn't
> > seem as bad as 2nd edition when it comes to picking spells at certain
> > levels. I remember 2nd level being a pain in the butt to try and find
> > spells in 2nd edition.
> >
> > My problem with low level spells is usually that most of them are the
kind
> > of spell that really isn't that useful, but you never know when you
might
> > need something like it. Then I end up with too many choices, trying to
> > figure out what type of situation we might run into that would require
> > certain spells and that sort of thing.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Johnathan Detrick [mailto:jdetrick@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 3:17 PM
> > To: dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Re: Character stats
> >
> > Quincy has four metamagic feats (Empower, Extend, Maximize and
> Quicken).
> > I
> > hope to use them more and more as he increases in level. I'm giving the
> > current
> > spell list a trial period of a few adventures. Then I'll go through and
> > rearrange it. My only problem is first level. I have some spell slots
> I'm
> > less
> > than happy with, but I don't know what to do with them, since I can't
use
> > any
> > metamagic feats at that level.
> >
> > Damon Kline wrote:
> >
> > > I must admit to being pretty excited to see what these guys can do.
At
> > > every spell level for Sinjen, I tried to do an equal mix of combat
> versus
> > > non-combat spells. However, the non-combat spells are mostly personal
> > > protection spells or things that can help him specifically. I felt
that
> > > better suited his personality.
> > >
> > > Kilian on the other hand took mostly spells that could help the party.
> > > Either healing, summoning or other spells that could affect either the
> > party
> > > or their enemies. I don't know if I took any spells that he could
cast
> > only
> > > on himself.
> > >
> > > A maximized Vampiric Touch is a great idea. I haven't assigned any of
> > > Sinjen's Spell Secrets yet. He only gets two, but I haven't decided
on
> > > either one. I'm thinking of using the Extended Spell feat on a
personal
> > > defense spell like Stoneskin or Lizardskin (oriental spell). That way
> it
> > > would last twice as long.
> > >
> > > I was also thinking, as he goes up in level, of giving him the Quicken
> > Spell
> > > feat, which allows you to cast a spell as a free action. That would
be
> > cool
> > > to have a fireball memorized that way, because you could theoretically
> > cast
> > > two fireballs in the same round! Cool!
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Johnathan Detrick [mailto:jdetrick@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 12:03 PM
> > > To: dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Re: Character stats
> > >
> > > Isn't it fun to see what your characters are capable of? I had
some
> > of
> > > the
> > > most ludicrous spells for Quincy; who the hell would cast some of the
> > things
> > > he
> > > took? I'm hoping that I have a nice mix of combat and non-combat. He
> > does
> > > use
> > > some meta-magic feats, although not too many. Usually, I find a level
> > where
> > > I
> > > only have stupid spells, and see what lower level spells I can replace
> the
> > > stupid ones with. In his case, I maximized a vampiric touch, since
the
> > > health
> > > could save his life at some time.
> > > That was a great idea that Jim had, using a separate character
sheet
> > for
> > > Kilian when in super-hero mode. :) It should make it a lot easier
for
> > you.
> > > I
> > > think these five will be pretty effective. Separately they are flawed
> and
> > > wussy, but together, they are mighty!
> > >
> > > Damon Kline wrote:
> > >
> > > > Great minds must think alike, as I have been working on my
characters
> as
> > > > well. Sinjen just went up a level, which makes him a 7th level Wu
> > Jen/4th
> > > > level Monk. This gave him one extra 1st level spell and a 4th level
> > > spell,
> > > > plus his bonus spell at 4th level, which gives him two.
> > > >
> > > > However, one thing I have not done much with when using Wizards are
> the
> > > > metamagic feats. Sinjen only has one, but I'm trying to find a way
to
> > use
> > > > it. At this point, he can't, because it would only allow him to
> > maximize
> > > a
> > > > 1st level spell because it requires it to be 3 levels higher. He
> > doesn't
> > > > want to give up a 4th level slot just yet, since he just got them.
> But,
> > > as
> > > > a Wu Jen, he has a cool ability. At 3rd level and every 3 levels
> after
> > > > that, he can use Spell Secret. He can choose any spell that he
knows
> > and
> > > > apply one of four metamagic feats to it permanently. Those are
> Enlarge
> > > > spell, Extend spell, Silent spell and Still spell. They do not
> require
> > > you
> > > > to memorize the spell at one level higher as is normally the case
and
> > the
> > > > effect is permanent for that spell. So, if he chooses to apply the
> > silent
> > > > feat to a magic missile, then any time he memorizes a magic missile
> > spell,
> > > > it is silent. I also revamped his spell list to give him more of an
> > > > oriental feel, using some of their unique spells. I don't know that
> > this
> > > > will do much, since most of their spells require you to hit and the
> > target
> > > > gets a save, but it will look cool. This character is always about
> > style.
> > > > :)
> > > >
> > > > I took Jim's advice and used a separate character sheet to make up
> > Kilian
> > > as
> > > > a 20th level druid for when he "summons the power of his father".
I'm
> > > still
> > > > in the process of picking spells, but so far he should be pretty
kick
> > ass
> > > > when he does this! I also changed his normal spell selection
around.
> > > I've
> > > > wanted him to call upon nature's help by summoning animals, but they
> > > always
> > > > seem so useless against what we normally fight. However, I found
> spells
> > > > that I always overlooked because I couldn't figure out why you would
> use
> > > > them. The two that I found in particular were Greater Magic Fang
and
> > > Animal
> > > > Growth. So as a tactic, Kilian could use Summon Nature's Ally V to
> > summon
> > > a
> > > > Dire Lion, which is a decent animal to have around, but not overly
> > > > threatening. Then he could cast Animal Growth on it which doubles
its
> > > size
> > > > and hit dice. This increases its strength and it's base attack
bonus
> > and
> > > > it's damage done. It increases its hit points and armor class as
> well.
> > > > Very useful spell. Then, Greater Magic Fang grants one natural
attack
> > of
> > > a
> > > > creature a +1 for every 3 levels of the caster. Effectively making
> the
> > > > creature able to increase its ability to hit and do damage and
> override
> > > > damage reduction if the bonus is high enough.
> > > >
> > > > Now the downside to all of this, is that it would take him 3 rounds
to
> > get
> > > > this in place. Since he is the party's main fighter at this point,
> that
> > > > might be a problem. But, we'll see how it goes.
> > > >
> > > > I am definitely excited to play these guys!!
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Johnathan Detrick [mailto:jdetrick@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 11:31 AM
> > > > To: Riders II
> > > > Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Character stats
> > > >
> > > > I have spent the last few mornings before work going over
Magnus,
> > > > Quincy and Ilana, since they are the current active characters I
have.
> > > > I wanted to let Jim know what changed, since he is DMing. I also
> wanted
> > > > to show that I have accomplished all of the following, in time
spurts
> of
> > > > 15 minutes each, in just a few days. Now, I love to create and
fiddle
> > > > with characters; its one of my favorite parts of the game. But I
have
> > > > always believed it leads me to enjoy the game more; when my
characters
> > > > are at their best and everything is organized, I can play for hours.
> > > > And it's not about making them the most powerful character I can;
it's
> > > > about choosing feats, skills and spells that fit their personality.
> In
> > > > the end, though, this does make them more effective, so the results
> are
> > > > still positive.
> > > > Ilana is now an 8th level cleric. I made no real changes here.
> One
> > > > of the things I decided for her was to make her a utility cleric.
> Since
> > > > she won't attack, I can forget all of the offensive cleric spells.
> > > > Instead, I'm trying to give her spells to allow her to aid the group
> in
> > > > any situation. Spells like Water Breathing, Freedom of Movement,
> > > > Neutralize Poison, Remove Disease, Dispel Magic, Restoration and the
> > > > like should enable her to help out in a variety of areas. I had
> pretty
> > > > much decided on that direction for her when I created her, and it's
> > > > helped me to give her purpose, and it helps me to know what to do
with
> > > > her in combat. And it fits her personality perfectly.
> > > > Magnus isn't quite done yet, but as expected, he is now 21st
> level.
> > > > I've begun to raise him in level with the epic level book. Sadly,
he
> > > > gets very little. I need to pick an epic feat for him and I am
done.
> > > > I'll let Jim know what I choose.
> > > > Quincy took the most work (although it was still only about 30
> > > > minutes). He is one of those characters that I created a long time
> ago
> > > > with a strong idea, and then completely forgot about. I see him a
lot
> > > > as Giles on Buffy. He's extremely intelligent and very inquisitive.
> He
> > > > is absolutely fascinated by undead and their like, but he doesn't
use
> > > > undead, and he doesn't support them. He has some elements of
> Thaylone,
> > > > in that he is looking for a group to belong to and acceptance, but
> he's
> > > > not as concerned as Thaylone is about it. He's not a bad guy, but
he
> > > > can be a little ruthless. Combine the love of knowledge from
Zolkiir,
> > > > with the pragmatism of D'Alleva and the quest for acceptance of
> > > > Thaylone, throw in a little of Quent's cowardice, and a dash of
> > > > prissiness, and there you have him.
> > > > I had to completely overhaul his spell list. As some of you may
> be
> > > > aware, Necromancy (in my opinion) has some of the most useless
spells
> > > > out there! Yeesh! It's even harder when you remove those spells
that
> > > > animate undead. However, I decided to make up my own type of
> necromancy
> > > > spell list. Besides those spells that are actually necromantic
> spells,
> > > > I loaded him up with cold spells. To my mind, cold is the element
> most
> > > > associated with the dead (and please, let me know if you think I'm
off
> > > > base), so I removed all fire spells and now all of his offensive
> spells
> > > > are cold. To me, he seems pretty cool, and I think his new spell
list
> > > > will be very helpful! I can't wait to use him!
> > > > So that's where my characters stand, ready to go for next week.
I
> > > > can't wait!
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