Yes, I am still planning on continuing on tonight. I'll have to change a few things, just so I don't destroy the entire party. :) One thing though, I will be leaving work a bit early today so that Matt and I can move a freezer from his mom's house (up the street from us) to my house. It has to be moved out today, but I don't expect it to take very long, since we are only moving it half a block. But, that is just an FYI. I'm leaving at 3:30, so I should be home by 4 and we should have the thing moved in before the 6 o'clock hour. But just in case, I thought I'd warn you. -----Original Message----- From: Johnathan Detrick [mailto:jdetrick@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 8:46 AM To: dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Re: Bad News: I will not be able to play tonight That's too bad Bobby. You have a nice holiday as well. Damon, can I assume we will play anyway? Robert Deibler wrote: > Hey I will not be able to play tonight, Crista has gotten called into work. With it being Christmas they needed the coverage. Sorry about that. I will be at home with the kids. I quess I wont see you folks until after Christmas have fun and have a great Holiday if I don't talk with you until then. Just a FYI I have the week of Christmas off so if any one has any free time post-Christmas and want to play D&D or Computer games drop me a line. > > > Bobby > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim and Karen [mailto:jimkaren@xxxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Fri 12/13/2002 10:39 PM > To: dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Cc: > Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Re: No discussion today > > > > Maybe he though that he was "too sexy for that group"? By the way, watch > Goldeneye again some time and see what you think of the same actor's > performance as 006. He's got a nice range - > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Deibler" <rdeibler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 3:41 PM > Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Re: No discussion today > > > > no mybe he's not just pretending, Beside whats 3 huge arrows, multiple > stab wounds, huge amount of lost blood, and fall over a 300 ft waterfull > into violent churning waters loaded bown with all the weapons of your > enemies.... Does'nt our characters take more damage then this everymonday > night and look we survive. he must be preparing for the sequels. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Johnathan Detrick [mailto:jdetrick@xxxxxxxxxxx] > > Sent: Fri 12/13/2002 2:32 PM > > To: dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Cc: > > Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Re: No discussion today > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I noticed that also. He was willing to sacrifice himself; > > guilt, perhaps? I again say that he was a fascinating character, and I > > think it's a shame he had to die. His story could have been incredibly > > interesting. > > > > jimkaren@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: > > > > > I realized something else about Baromir > > > the second time I saw the film in the > > > theatre - he put himself in a supremely > > > high-risk situation after betraying > > > Frodo as a way of atoning for what he > > > did. > > > > > > That was why he was blowing the horn - > > > he wanted to attract all the Uruk-Hai > > > to him so others could regroup. Cool > > > character - > > > > > > > > > > > I have to say something else > > > about the extended version, since Keith > > > > mentioned it. The extra time with > > > Gimli was well worth it. His reaction > > > to > > > > Galadriel was somewhat glossed over > > > originally, and by focusing on it more > > > in > > > > the extended version, he comes off as > > > a much more developed character. > > > > I don't know about Boromir. I'm > > > not saying you couldn't do it, but he's > > > not > > > > quite a Jim character in my mind. > > > Honestly (and this could be an > > > interesting > > > > discussion thread), I could see you > > > playing Strider/Aragorn before Boromir. > > > > Someone born to power who doesn't > > > want it, someone stuck in a love affair > > > that > > > > is forbidden, someone forced into > > > playing the leader and being the gruff > > > strong > > > > guy all the time. It's part of > > > Ambrosia, part of Kage... The only > > > problem is > > > > that Strider doesn't have much of a > > > sense of humor. But then, neither does > > > > Kage. > > > > I do agree that you could play > > > Merry or Pippin. They just scream "Jim > > > > character!!!!" :) > > > > > > > > Jim and Karen wrote: > > > > > > > > > Now I really want to watch the rest > > > of the extended version! If only time > > > > > would allow - > > > > > > > > > > By the way, who agrees that if we > > > were to play the Fellowship in D&D, I'd > > > be > > > > > playing Pippin and Boromir? :) > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Grogan, Keith" > > > <Keith_Grogan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > To: <dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 > > > 8:23 PM > > > > > Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Re: No > > > discussion today > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We ended up closing early on > > > Wednesday, not sure why it was mostly > > > just > > > > > > raining. I only worked for about > > > 4 hours. I left work about 5:30. I > > > headed > > > > > > over to the salon to see Tim and > > > ended up getting my birthday gift from > > > > > > Julie. My one hour massage that > > > she promised me in b-day card at my > > > party. > > > > > > It felt sooooooooooooooo > > > goooooooooooooood. I felt like jello > > > when she was > > > > > > done. Got my neck, arms, hands, > > > legs, feet, chest and back deep tissue > > > > > > massaged. I highly recommend her > > > to anyone. > > > > > > > > > > > > I also loved the extended version > > > of Lord of the Rings. The entire section > > > > > > they put back in when the > > > fellowship was w/ the elves after > > > getting out of > > > > > > the mines made so much more > > > sense. Well to me at least. I got lost > > > at that > > > > > > part in the original movie. > > > Probably because of never reading the > > > book. I > > > > > > figured more happened there than > > > what was shown. It wasn't unitl I saw > > > the > > > > > > extended version that I noticed > > > that the whole fellowship had the > > > matching > > > > > > cloaks and noticed Lelagas' new > > > bow since I now knew they had them. I > > > also > > > > > > loved Bilbo's narration of > > > hobbits and the shire after the > > > narrator's back > > > > > > story. Like John I liked the > > > insight more into Boromir's character. > > > In the > > > > > > original I felt he was there to > > > be killed because someone had to die in > > > > > the > > > > > > film. I ended up liking him as > > > much as the others in this version. It > > > was > > > > > > like watching a totally new > > > movie, almost. It was very well done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > > > > > > From: Johnathan Detrick > > > > > > > Reply To: > > > dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 12, > > > 2002 7:31 AM > > > > > > > To: dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Re: No > > > discussion today > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I decided to take yesterday > > > off. I don't mind driving in snow (and > > > > > I > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > here last Thursday when we got > > > our first snowstorm), but I hate ice. > > > > > Add > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > that the fact that Brad and I > > > have been tremendously busy and just > > > > > needed > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > day off, and the decision to > > > stay home was a little more simple (and > > > I'm > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > too busy this week). > > > > > > > So we spent the day > > > studying for his Real Estate Exam > > > (which he > > > > > takes > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > 23rd). It was great to have a > > > whole day to study, and we got a lot > > > > > > > accomplished. I still maintain > > > that, by the time we finish, I could > > > > > take > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > damn test and get my real > > > estate license if I wanted to! :) > > > > > > > We also did something else > > > that I didn't think I would have time to > > > > > > > do; we > > > > > > > finally watched the Lord of the > > > Rings! This is the first time I have > > > > > seen > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > movie in almost a year, and I > > > have to say; I couldn't stand the damn > > > > > > > thing! > > > > > > > No, I'm kidding....I have > > > visions of Jim and Matt coming to my > > > house to > > > > > > > burn > > > > > > > me as a heretic! No, I find > > > the film endlessly fascinating, and > > > > > increased > > > > > > > running time was incredible. I > > > usually say most films need an editor > > > > > and > > > > > > > should be shorter, but the > > > extra time was great. Middle Earth > > > feels > > > > > like > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > place you could actually go, > > > and the scenery is gorgeous. > > > > > > > What really struck me about > > > the movie though, and what made it > > > > > better > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > it was the first time (and > > > better than the book when I read it), > > > was the > > > > > > > characterization of Boromir. > > > When I read the book, he came off as a > > > > > total > > > > > > > spaz and a jerk, and to me, it > > > was always a foregone conclusion that he > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > cause trouble for the hobbits > > > eventually. However, the movie makes > > > him > > > > > a > > > > > > > real > > > > > > > person. He's not a bad guy; he > > > simply isn't as strong as some of the > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > characters, especially > > > Aragorn. In fact, if Aragorn were not > > > in the > > > > > > > group, I > > > > > > > feel Boromir quite easily could > > > have been the hero of the tale. I felt > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > death even more strongly this > > > time, not just because I found him to > > > be a > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > real character, but because I > > > feel the further story of his adventures > > > > > (as > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > tried to come back from what he > > > had done) would have been fascinating. > > > > > > > But there is an even > > > greater reason why the portrayal of > > > Boromir > > > > > made > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > movie truly great for me. When > > > I first read the book (as a teenager), I > > > > > > > remember one thought that drove > > > through my mind; Frodo is an idiot! He > > > > > > > goes > > > > > > > off on his own, and how stupid > > > is that?! He's a freaking hobbit, with > > > > > > > nary a > > > > > > > level in sight (does he ever > > > contribute to any fight in the movie? > > > > > Heck, > > > > > > > Merry and Pippin are more > > > useful than Frodo in a brawl!). So, > > > what does > > > > > > > wussy > > > > > > > ass Frodo do? He abandons all > > > of his powerful companions, and goes > > > > > > > running > > > > > > > off alone. That always drove > > > me crazy, and I saw it only as a plot > > > > > > > device. > > > > > > > When I saw the movie last year, > > > my feelings were confirmed. Frodo > > > > > > > shouldn't > > > > > > > have gone off alone, because he > > > was King of the Wussies, and it was > > > > > simply > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > move the plot along. > > > > > > > But yesterday it finally > > > gelled for me. Boromir was a good > > > man. A > > > > > > > trifle > > > > > > > rash, perhaps, and sometimes a > > > wee bit obnoxious, but he was good in > > > his > > > > > > > heart. He wanted to help his > > > people, and he did not want to hurt his > > > > > > > companions. Yet the power of > > > the Ring seduced him. Finally, I saw > > > it! > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > was seduced first, because he > > > was the weakest. But the others would > > > > > have > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > seduced eventually. So Frodo > > > had to go alone. And it all made sense. > > > > > > > Ok, LoTR talk is over for > > > now. Everyone else have a good day? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Damon Kline wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I was going to see if > > > anyone else had made it to work and get > > > a > > > > > > > D&D > > > > > > > > discussion started, but now > > > that they gave us a two hour delay and > > > we > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > into work, they have decided > > > to close the office. So, my attempt at > > > a > > > > > > > > discussion will have to > > > wait. See you guys later and if you > > > are at > > > > > work > > > > > > > > today, be careful driving > > > home! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Damon Kline > > > > > > > > Legal Systems Technician > > > > > > > > Supreme Court of Pennsylvania > > > > > > > > 5035 Ritter Road > > > > > > > > Suite 700 > > > > > > > > (717) 795-2028 > > > > > > > > damon.kline@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Binary/unsupported file stripped by Ecartis -- > > -- Type: application/ms-tnef > > -- File: winmail.dat > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Binary/unsupported file stripped by Ecartis -- > -- Type: application/ms-tnef > -- File: winmail.dat