So the pot was well stirred on this one.I have a few comments, never one to be
shy about these discussions.First, there is a saying along the lines "Those who
ignore (forget) the past are bound to repeat it."There is a corollory that
"Those who re-write (deny) the past are already repeating it"Humanity--all of
us-- have ancestors that did things that are today considered horrible. Some
were crimes at the time and some were considered "normal" or rationalized by
the views of one group or another. Nothing is different today....we are still
doing it. Examples: we've worked hard so..., We're handicapped so...., We're
University graduates so... So does that mean we should have advantages others
cannot have, restrict others for our benefit, are somehow better than others or
convert, ignore, suppress, even get rid of some other group?Horrible things
occurred in the past. No doubt for Canada the residential school and treatment
of indigenous people at residential schools was an arrogant and insensitive
decision that hurt a lot of people. Some survivors are still hurting or just
recovering two generations later. Are we responsible for our ancestors'
actions?I think not, but there are things we can do to help those who are still
hurting from the way they were treated. Most importantly, we should not repeat
the same mistakes. Obviously this means no more residential schools but also
means we do not presume to know how to "fix" the residual problems. Iny view,
there has to be an indigenous resolution, developed, driven and delivered by
the indigenous commumities themselves. We have to respect indigenous cultures
and ways or we are repeating the same behavior as in the past. Other cultures
do not know what is best for them, but rather support if needed.Lastly, we
should consider the ongoing cycle caused by focusing on blame for past acts
(which cannot be changed) and losing focus on meaningful remediation which is
at least somewhat in our control.YITBOSJimSent from my Samsung device over
Bell's LTE network.
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From: Norm Larkins <normlarkins@xxxxxxxx>
Date: 21-02-2021 10:46 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: What is in the Budget for Seniors?
I especially appreciate your 3rd paragraph. I spent several days wondering if
I should forward such an email which under normal circumstances I would simply
delete. I chose to forward it thinking it would generate some discussion and
inserted the caution at the beginning as I knew it would offend some, but
others perhaps less so. It certainly is not my opinion, but it also certainly
is the opinion of a significant number of my generation. I thought it
appropriate that others know that this is circulating. Being new to the
Communication Group maybe I don't appreciate what it is meant to be or to
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 at 12:14 AM
From: "Robert Ramsay" <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "dsp-ea-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <dsp-ea-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: What is in the Budget for Seniors?
I think both views presented so far have been very short-sighted. First of all,
I recognize that the residential schools were devastating to many indigenous
families. Some of them managed to get over that and become contributing members
of society. I know, because I employed some who were excellent employees; one
was among the best technologists I ever worked with.
Others did not do so well; the system totally failed them, and they became the
problem ones. And we are still not serving them well.
Second, I resent being called part of any group that is “unacceptable”. Every
post to this site is the responsibility of the individual posting, and does not
reflect the attitudes of the group. We can each have our own views on this or
any other topic, but closing the door to a view you don’t like is not going to
change anyone’s opinion.
We have come from many backgrounds, some much more privileged than others but
we in this group have been given some very good opportunities, having lived a
relatively sheltered life and having chosen to obtain an above-average
education. That was not available to most indigenous people because of the way
they were thought of and treated by their “conquerors”.
We have all made our beds, and now we lie in them. What anyone has made of
himself is his own issue. But we need to consider the background when we relate
to indigenous people. In general, they lost far more than any of us.
On Feb 20, 2021, at 10:02 PM, richardmathias <mathias@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Our group has just made the unacceptable list and will now be listed as junk
May you go to residential schools with their abuse and mortality. I had hoped
that a university education would allow a much more critical appraisal than
On Feb 20, 2021, at 11:28 AM, Norm Larkins <normlarkins@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
[CAUTION: Non-UBC Email]
*Trudeau, what do Seniors get in the new Budget?*
These alleged truths will offend some and get support from others.
After reading this, I want you to think about those Residential Schools -
while we small town and country kids were going to one-roomed schools that
housed eight grades with only one teacher and our parents were buying our
books, school supplies and clothing, the Indigenous native kids were in
schools where they got a more balanced education, free room and board, free
school books, free supplies (pencils, notebooks, etc.) and clothing.
We were also abused and bullied by the heads of the schools. Oh yes, they are
complaining that they lost their language. Do they think that we, the
immigrants from Eastern Europe, were able to continue to speak our native
tongue in schools? No! We all learned to speak, read and write in English
and were proud to have the opportunity and contribute to the development of
this great country.
So, Mr. Trudeau, what do Seniors get in the new Budget?
Seniors outnumber Natives, so maybe you will resolve Seniors grievances
sooner if Seniors choose to block the Trans-Canada Highway or the CN Rail
When reporters ask the protesting Seniors what they want, the Seniors can
answer "The same as the Natives have been getting for years." (which is free
dental, free eye care, free prescriptions, free post-secondary education,
free transportation, no tax on gas and other commodities, no income tax, no
tax on vehicles, free housing and many other things, all paid for by us, the
Seniors have paid taxes all their lives! Natives do not pay taxes !!
And recently, now 600,000 Metis are considered Natives. Well Canada is also
my home and Native land so I should be considered a Native since some of us
too, were born here.
Seniors want the same as the Attawapiskat Band Members received from the
Federal Government in 2014, $34 million for just 1500 people (that's $22,666
each) TAX FREE!
Instead, the Federal Government pays Seniors $7,200 in Social Security (and
they still have to pay tax on that) after working 50 plus years, and AFTER
they've paid their own way, their own kid's way, AND the Natives' Way.
And the natives are demonstrating "Idle No More" and "Pipelines". Really??
It is time for seniors to react! *We are just as entitled to protest as are
*Something is very wrong with this picture.*
Send this to every senior you know.