I'm going to stir the pot.
This is a reply I got back from someone I sent Norm's comment to.
I think that this too is well written.
You are part of the problem if you are not part of the solution.
That was well written. Prejudice takes many forms, but it is real
prejudice to refuse to discuss what others feel about an issue. Those in
your group who won't take part are more judgmental and narrow minded than
those who openly recognize that they have some issues with various groups.
To refuse to discuss means they are walking a very narrow,
intellectually stifled path that they insist others walk with them without
realizing that by considering what others have to say, they may learn
something. They are the ones to fear because, in their refusal to consider
other points of view and demand everyone accept their viewpoint, they would
seek to stifle others free speech and are the true fascists.
On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 8:20 AM Norm Larkins <normlarkins@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
It troubled me that brothers would quit the group because of the original
email I sent. But I did know some would find it offensive - life is not
always comfortable and opportunities to learn may happen in strange ways.
I genuinely accept it as a complement that you would want to forward my
comments to others, and I most certainly give you permission to do so.
*Sent:* Monday, February 22, 2021 at 9:44 PM
*From:* "Wynn Payne" <wynn.payne@xxxxxxxxx>
*To:* "Delta Sig master list" <dsp-ea-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Subject:* Re: RE: A Kairos Moment
That is wonderfully stated.
I would like permission to forward that to some other people.
On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 9:01 PM Norm Larkins <normlarkins@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
I have deliberated all day about the various emails and have decided I
need to respond.
I must admit I am a racist, though it is not necessarily the right thing
to do. My life long learning (formal education and living experiences) has
meant I am much more comfortable with those who have similar learning, and
I am increasingly uncomfortable with others who have increasingly different
learning (whether that difference is based upon race, age, sex, religion,
language, and so on). So it is a constant challenge to suspend judgement,
to demonstrate tolerance and attempt understanding when facing such
discomfort. It is even more difficult when emotions are heightened. And I
must admit I am not always successful in suspending judgement, or
demontrating tolerance. And discussion of racism would be appropriate.
But too often we quickly jump to racism without tackling the larger human
foible of prejudice. Racisim is but one of many prejudices and we as
individuals must be aware of them, tackle them, suspend judgement,
demontrate tolerance, seek information, and attempt understanding. We may
experience ageism or sexism. Homophobia has long been an issue, while
transphobia seems to me to be relatively new. We are all familiar with
religious prejudice when we think of Muslims and Jews, but what about the
Mormons or the Jehovah's Witnes or the Hutterites. We may not think of
national prejudice until we are comfronted with attitudes towards America
during 2020. And there is the prejudice of classism, the billionaires and
the multimillionaires, the average folk and the residents of the SROs. And
the prejudice to the people experiencing physical barriers (wheelchair
bound because of Cerebral Palsy, or accident), the deaf and the blind.
And the prejudice toward people with psychological barriers such as mental
illness or autism. Prejudice towards the drug addicted, and the alcohol
dependent. The prejudice towards the obese and the dwarfs. The prejudice
towards the homeless, and the ones living in camper vans and trailers on
our streets, and the tent city residents at Strathcona Park. In each case
it takes great effort to suspend judgement, to demonstrate tolerance, to
seek information to better understand and to come to terms with our fellow
humans. And when emotion creeps into this it is so much more difficult.
But let me take the next leap. We are quick to judge the author of my
original email as being racist. I clearly indicated some would be offended
by the content. And I admit I did have an emotional reaction to it and
would normally have simply deleted it. But are we being prejudiced in our
response to it? Or can we suspend our judgement to some extent, to
demonstrate a degree of tolerance, to seek information to better understand
the reason it is written and the author's circumstance. That is not to say
we have to accept it, but maybe we need to understand where it is coming
from so we can come to terms with another fellow human being who is but the
single voice of a larger group.
If there is to be a discussion of racism, I would hope some time would
also be spent on the issue of prejudice in all of its forms because we come
face to face with it everyday. And we are constantly challenged with
suspending our judgement, seeking information and clarification,
demonstrating tolerance and hopefullly increased understanding and
acceptance. I am not always successful at doing it, but I do recognize
that I am challenged by it because I am human and suffer the foibles of
*Sent:* Monday, February 22, 2021 at 12:13 PM
*From:* "Bob Thomlinson" <bthomlinson@xxxxxxxxx>
*Subject:* RE: A Kairos Moment
Frank and Suzanne,
Thank you, this is a very interesting proposition. Could you clarify your
proposal a bit more before we start asking for participants?
1. Would this be a facilitated discussion or a more formal
presentation allowing for questions and discussion afterwards?
1. How long do you anticipate a session would run? Alternatively, is
one session enough to enlighten us old guys?
1. Is this something we could do in a weekday morning or afternoon
*From:* dsp-ea-general-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <
dsp-ea-general-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *On Behalf Of *Frank Lewis
*Sent:* February 22, 2021 9:42 AM
*Subject:* A Kairos Moment
*Kairos* (Ancient Greek: καιρός) is an Ancient Greek word *meaning* the
right, critical, or opportune moment. The ancient Greeks had two words for
time: chronos (χρόνος) and *kairos*. The former refers to chronological
or sequential time, while the latter signifies a proper or opportune time
Brothers I think we have arrived at a place of important conversation.
Yes we are blessed with fine educations. Yes we have poked the bear with a
topic that is front and centre...'racism'.
Taking from the Wikipedia meaning of KAIROS, this maybe 'a proper or
opportune time for action'.
My partner is a consultant in the adult education field. She has
participated in multicultural groups as participant and coordinator. As
well much of her work is as a First Nations education facilitator in Treaty
8 and the unceded territories in B.C.
In my sharing this wonderful brouhaha with Suzanne our discussion
evolved to a wider perspective...racism. Perhaps a 180 is needed here. We
people of white privilege* have an opportunity to understand our racism.
So what action can be taken Brothers? If there is an interest, Suzanne is
willing to undertake a ZOOM or WEBEX faciltative conversation on white
privilege and our specific role in racism.
I would ask Bob Thomlinson to be the point person (I.e. gatherer of names
of those who would find this opportunity helpful AND whether a day or
evening session would be preferred) BTW Suzanne has the technology to make
* Brother Mike Hart our black brother would be a wonderful addition.
However I understand we don't have a link to Mike.
Frank and Suzanne