I have seen it stated that the brakes on a 4-wheel carriage with a pair should do all the work of holding the carriage back. I think it was either in Max Pape's _The Art of Driving_ or the German National Equestrian Federation book _Driving_, where it was stated that expecting the horses to work in breeching would make them hard mouthed. I was just wondering what you-all felt about that. I found when I used the brake constantly, that the horses kept pulling even though we were going down hill and I was trying to hold back the carriage with the brake and hold back the horses with the reins. If I let the breeching touch them before applying the brakes, then both horses go right to work in the breeching, which they learned when they were driving single to the Meadowbrook, and I hardly have to touch their mouths. Stephanie Blasted Rock Farm _________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe, change to Digest or Vacation mode go to: http://www.drivingpairs.com/dpmem.html `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````