I'm not sure you would need that much maneuvering room on a breast collar, or if it would be desirable. The breast collar itself has more leeway of moving on the horse, where a neck collar is more fixed. I know what I have is almost too much room with my set up at times when I'm not driving them well. Jeanine -----Original Message----- From: drivingpairs-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:drivingpairs-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Helen G. Roeder Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 9:44 AM To: drivingpairs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [drivingpairs] Re: tongues/yokes Looked at it again and still love your hames! Probably gives more than the 'D' rings that move back and forth. Wonder if that would work on a breat collar? Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeanine Rachau To: drivingpairs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 11:34 AM Subject: [drivingpairs] Re: tongues/yokes Helen, Actually because they are turning in this picture, the neck yoke has swung over so it appears to be only inside on the right horse. If you look on the other horse you can see the neck yoke is to her outside. When they are standing the neck is is well wide enough to be center to center on each. The wide kidney link allows more movement which is nice when navigating obstacles. Dave McWethy of Camptown Harness ordered my hames for me. Thnx, Jeanine -----Original Message----- From: drivingpairs-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:drivingpairs-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Helen G. Roeder Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 9:29 AM To: drivingpairs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [drivingpairs] tongues/yokes Thanks for the picture, Jeanine. That's exactly what I mean, but yours looks as if it only reaches to the 'off center' position. (love your hames) I've been wondering if anyone uses a long one that would be attached to the 'middle' position on the collar. I"ve attached a pic of the one I've used. My new carriage has one that only goes to the 'off center', but want to get a longer one. Was wondering if anyone else uses one that long...it would be from singletree center to singletree center, if it fits to the center 'D' ring. Helen Helen, Here is the neck yoke and attachment that I use - is that what you mean? Jeanine