Beverly: I have a similar problem, maybe not as sever as yours, that I am trying to resolve at this point in time. I've been at it a year so far with a small amount of success. Without sounding like I'm opposed or throwing rocks what you are experiencing seems to me to be the way farm horses are trained. I tend to gather that you may be more used to saddle trained horses. First I put both mares on a longeline and made them respond to verbal commands - walk; trot; halt. Second I put both mares in long driving lines. We continued with the walk trot halt commands and then taught them lateral movements and 20 meter circles. As the circles begn to improve we made them smaller requiring a greater bend. Third I put both mares undersaddle using a broken snaffle and caveson. Repeated everything we learned in long lines. Fourth I put them on a spike tooth plow for very short periods of time as a single. The point here was that they should learn to respond to my request but that they didn't really have to work awfully hard. Never did I take them in a t a sweat - that was done when they went and played. Since everything was done on the ground there was a LOT of walking. If I had any problems I went to the walk and halt till it got resolved. Fifth I put both mares to a sled or drag. Teaching them to drag the arena so that all lines are perfectly straight and the ground is very level I find an excellent task. It forces me to pay attention and gives them something to focus on. I'm still working at this stage. But They now will walk for short periods of time. They don't pull on the reigns as much and are still on a snaffle. And they pay much better attention except for that one wonderful week each month. Well I solved the problem with one mare -- I bred her. Bottom line --- be very patient and don't plan on doing much with them till after you have passed on. ( It takes on heck of long time). ....................... Al FreeLists Mailing List Manager <ecartis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: "Beverly Means" Subject: [drivingpairs] Hey all, can you explain something for me??? Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 08:20:20 -0700 I recently started driving the pony girl pair I got in November (took me that long to save $$$ for a pole assembly for my Puddle Jumper) They actually pull with their mouth at times... They lay on one another over the pole, I mean really, really push in on one another to the point their back outside leg pushes against one another every bit as much as it pushes forward. This is so frustrating because my El Pony Grande, whom I drive single for both pleasure and competition drives off of fingertips...and voice... I got a lot of helpful stuff out of this post and I thank you for it... The girls won't walk, won't stay upright, pull with their mouths, make my shoulder's ache, but on the other hand, I never feel they are not controllable or that I'm not safe driving them... Its just so frustrating to have such dis-obedience and stress and struggle... So, any and all, please suggest what you may... I am looking to re-claiming these pony mouths to tender, responsive sensitive 'organs' I'm thinking a lot of single driving may have to occur; though one has never driven single but I'm not opposed to undertake that... They are interchangeable from side to side and their previous owner said that because of the leaning into one another they have switched sides, somewhat successfully... I'm just learning pair driving and I'm trying to re-train/ re-gain a more suitable control over this wonderful set of ponies... I invite all offers of help Beverly Aspice Morgans Albert Seminatore Roswell, NM E-Mail: alsemus@xxxxxxxxx WebSite: <http://www.homestead.com/_horses4sale/horse.html> --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today _________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe, change to Digest or Vacation mode go to: http://www.drivingpairs.com/dpmem.html `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````