thanks hardy and diane, you both have confirmed my own thoughts on loose cheek liverpool bits with multiples. actually, i didn't want to put my opinion forward first because i am such a newbie to this pair thing .... i didn't want to get flamed in public <G>. i "enjoy" the engineering aspect of things and it just made sense to me that if you pull the inside ring of the bit towards the pair mate then the front of the bit rings would pinch the front of the horses lips. it just can't be comfortable. i had jh's myler liverpool [6" - 2 slot - #15 mouth] made 2 years ago with fixed cheeks and then followed it up with one just like it to fit agnes. it is very easy to have your existing bit made "fixed" buy just taking it to your local SS welder and have them put a drop or two of stainless on the top and bottom of each side of the cheek to make them incapable of moving.... works great and it is much cheaper than replacing an otherwise nice bit. i have also used my local welder to enlarge bits of mine for the last 25 years. when i started out fox hunting i had one of the first draft crosses who ended up being 17-3 and 1,680 lbs [on a scale]. he would only ride in a kimberwick and i had a SS one enlarged first to 5.5" and then to 6" over the years. in all those years and all those thousands and thousands of hours i have never had a problem with any enlarged bit. tally ho, kathleen, john henry \ / & agnes \ / http://john.henry.org http://horseblanketetc.com http://pbase.com/conklink - photo albums On Nov 18, 2006, at 2:02 AM, FreeLists Mailing List Manager wrote: > > From: Hzlax@xxxxxxx > Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 13:21:52 EST > Subject: [drivingpairs] a hardy question....loose cheek bits... > > Thanks Kathleen, for the question and for looking so closely at the > pictures. > GREAT. That's what I love about that book, and thanks Diane for > answering it. > I fully agree with Diane, and that's why I prefer to drive with > fixed cheek > liverpool bits (and mostly use mullen mouth warpped thinly with > latex). > Hardy > > _________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe, change to Digest or Vacation mode go to: http://www.drivingpairs.com/index.php?pg=2 `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````