[drivingpairs] Re: Who's putting a 4 together?
- From: "Meredith Russo" <epona1004@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <drivingpairs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:43:08 -0500
Just in case anyone is interested, I hope to be able to offer my services as
coach horn player by 2010! Used to play the French horn and am now
practicing the coach horn calls so maybe I'll be good enough to grace a
coach in 4 years!
Meredith in Dartmouth MA
>> be
>> excited (NOT!) at the thoughts of another horse to feed, vet, work?? I
>> envy
>> y'all!
>>
>> Debbie
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "FreeLists Mailing List Manager" <ecartis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: "drivingpairs digest users" <ecartis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 2:06 AM
>> Subject: drivingpairs Digest V5 #289
>>
>>
>>> ** File was empty **
>>> ------------------------------------
>>> drivingpairs Digest Mon, 11 Dec 2006 Volume: 05 Issue: 289
>>>
>>> In This Issue:
>>> [drivingpairs] Re: going it alone
>>> [drivingpairs] Re: Pairs vs. Single... which is easier?
>>> [drivingpairs] driving pairs vs singles
>>> [drivingpairs] Re: Pairs vs. Single... which is easier?
>>> [drivingpairs] Re: driving pairs vs singles
>>> [drivingpairs] Re: driving pairs vs singles
>>> [drivingpairs] questions
>>> [drivingpairs] Re: questions
>>> [drivingpairs] Re: questions
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> From: N2Horsn@xxxxxxx
>>> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 02:54:24 EST
>>> Subject: [drivingpairs] Re: going it alone
>>>
>>> I agree with everyone so far. I like to switch it up. I think pairs
>>> are
>>> great for schooling a horse and then they should do single work too. I
>>> have a
>>> fantastic Percheron mare who is my babysitter for horses I am training.
>>> I
>>> have gone down the street with the most mismatched teams you've ever
>>> seen.
>>> I have driven her next to a Quarter pony, a Paint horse, a spotted
>>> draft,
>>> a
>>> Clydesdale and an Arab. I like to switch sides on them too. When
>>> they
>>> get
>>> too used to working one side, they start leaning. Sometimes you can't
>>> tell
>>> until they have been used on the same sides for far too long and one day
>>> you
>>> switch them. It's the funniest thing the way they lean on each other.
>>> That
>>> can't be good for their balance of movement. I try to never let them
>>> second
>>> guess me. They should just eventually be good however they are
>>> hitched.
>>> and Rachel- re: having ponies too small for you to ride and correct
>>> I understand. We have horses here of all sizes. I have definitely
>>> noticed
>>> that the ones who are ridden well (like dressage) perform better when
>>> driven.
>>> And likewise, the ones who have been driven perform better under
>>> saddle.
>>> The disciplines compliment each other.
>>>
>>> ~cheers,
>>> Wendy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> From: "Bob & Linda Smith" <Lrsmith@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Subject: [drivingpairs] Re: Pairs vs. Single... which is easier?
>>> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 06:53:44 -0700
>>>
>>> My husband has driven a pair of minis for parades and for ADTs and CDEs
>>> quite a bit. He loves it, but has found that it is harder to get both of
>>> them to be evenly and nicely bent around the corners of a dressage test
>>> together. I guess it is harder to correct and train the head set, bend,
>>> etc. on just one of the pair, without disturbing the other. Probably
>>> more work done separately and then put the perfectly behaving two
>>> together in the pair would help. And then later the pair develop strange
>>> habits (like pulling away from each other or leaning into each other)
>>> because of some problem of being side-by-side. Those are two things we
>>> have experienced with pairs that wouldn't be a problem with singles. But
>>> it is definitely easier for the pair to bravely go forth, when maybe one
>>> of the pair would be shy about something without his buddy beside him. I
>>> am having that problem now with a single that used to be in a 6-up hitch
>>> of minis pulling a wonderful red stagecoach (Don Fernwalt's team).
>>> Anyway, now this wonderful ex-wheeler is being asked to go down a parade
>>> route by himself, instead of with his 5 buddies around him, and he is
>>> getting so anxious that he won't stand still anymore (he tries to rear
>>> and if that doesn't work, he tries a little buck). This last parade this
>>> weekend, he transferred his nervousness to the drill team performance
>>> time after the parade had been finished for 2 or 3 hours and wanted to
>>> go way too fast in the drill and do other strange things while standing
>>> around waiting. He is a nervous wreck and this was with Peace and
>>> Calming rubbed all over his ears, hooves and gums. So he definitely
>>> liked driving with another horse - easier for him.
>>> Linda in Arizona
>>> By the way, if anyone is interested, go to http://www.petiteelite.org
>>> and see our drill team who are going to be in the Rose Parade in three
>>> weeks!!! And this horse is going. I'm taking him to the vet this week to
>>> see if there is something going on that he can fix.
>>> Watch us on Home and Garden TV channel on Jan.1st - commercial free.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> From: "Helen G. Roeder" <sunshinefarm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Subject: [drivingpairs] driving pairs vs singles
>>> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 08:47:40 -0600
>>>
>>> After reading several posts regarding driving pairs vs driving single, I
>>> remembered we have some awesome pair driving Articles on our web site,
>>> written by an awesome pair driver. Driving figure eights comes to mind
>>> as a means of teaching horses (in a pair) to bend.
>>> I found that teaching a horse to bend when he's between shafts, inhibits
>>> the horse. Of course, one of those new-fangled marathon shafts that
>>> only
>>> come up to the harness saddle, makes it easier for the horse to bend.
>>> But then, you have to put on special 'armament' to keep from making the
>>> horse sore in the rib area.
>>>
>>> You can also teach a horse from the ground or mounted, how to bend when
>>> asked. I have found once the horse learns the cue (I use the word
>>> 'bend') he will actually bend on cue in a turn, if asked (reminded).
>>>
>>> I used to have a fellow come and work with my horses. As a matter of
>>> routine, he would bend the horse from the ground, by wrapping the lead
>>> rope around the horse's rear and gently pulling him in a circle. (this
>>> is
>>> also an excellent way to teach a colt to follow the lead) He'd do it
>>> several times to each side. Then when he'd mount the horse, he'd again
>>> 'pracitce' the bends by gently pulling the horse's nose over to his foot
>>> in the stirrup.....several times to each side. It not only teaches the
>>> horse how to bend, it also gives the horse some good stretches before he
>>> begins to work.
>>>
>>> A series of good warm-up exercises before getting into the real work, is
>>> very helpful. Just MHO.
>>>
>>> Helen
>>> Whitesboro, Texas
>>> home of El Hasa Sport Ponies
>>> (the Little Lions of the desert)
>>> www.drivingpairs.com
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> From: N2Horsn@xxxxxxx
>>> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:45:47 EST
>>> Subject: [drivingpairs] Re: Pairs vs. Single... which is easier?
>>>
>>> I have seen the Petite Elite perform. It was great fun. Your email
>>> was
>>> well written about schooling one horse in a pair. I have an idea for
>>> your
>>> husband that has worked for me:
>>> Have him try driving his pair usual and put an extra set of single lines
>>> on
>>> the one who needs the schooling. Have a second skilled driver in the
>>> cart
>>> work those lines to help that horse bend and have the same impulsion as
>>> his
>>> partner. Let me know how it goes. I still think switching sides
>>> helps
>>> a lot
>>> too.
>>>
>>> ~cheers,
>>> Wendy
>>> www.martiniranch.wordpress.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> From: N2Horsn@xxxxxxx
>>> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:55:26 EST
>>> Subject: [drivingpairs] Re: driving pairs vs singles
>>>
>>> Thanks for telling us about the articles was nice. I had no idea.
>>> Good
>>> advice about bending exercises too.
>>> I think there are more topics than just the bending... like the courage
>>> they
>>> gather from a partner beside them.
>>>
>>> I think most drivers start out driving singles and then some go on to
>>> pairs.... thinking it will be more of a challenge. They are surprised
>>> to
>>> find out
>>> it is actually easier*.
>>>
>>> *Well, driving the pair is easier, but hitching is not. Pair driving
>>> should
>>> ALWAYS be done with a groom/friend/navigator/assistant or whatever you
>>> want
>>> to call them. If something goes wrong there should be two people (one
>>> to
>>> head
>>> and one to drive) if necessary. And it sure helps to have help when
>>> hitching.
>>>
>>> ~cheers,
>>> Wendy
>>> www.martiniranch.wordpress.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> From: "Barbara Kurtz" <winddancefrm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Subject: [drivingpairs] Re: driving pairs vs singles
>>> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:55:26 -0500
>>>
>>> I've sure enjoyed this thread. I am very new...still just ground
>>> driving
>>> my
>>> pair until I receive my pairs harness and vehicle(which I am still
>>> looking
>>> for...small pony size). I have already noticed how much more confident
>>> my
>>> gelding is beside his partner. I think it's going to be so much more
>>> fun
>>> driving this guy with his Mom.
>>>
>>> Great information...
>>> Barbara in Ohio
>>> Wind Dance Ponies
>>> winddancefrm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Sit in the driver's seat, decide where you want to go and let the
>>> distractions of life pass by while you stay focused on your intended
>>> destination, enjoy the journey! ~Barbara & Nicholas Kurtz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for telling us about the articles was nice. I had no idea.
>>>> Good
>>>> advice about bending exercises too.
>>>> I think there are more topics than just the bending... like the courage
>>>> they
>>>> gather from a partner beside them.
>>>>
>>>> I think most drivers start out driving singles and then some go on to
>>>> pairs.... thinking it will be more of a challenge. They are surprised
>>>> to
>>>> find out
>>>> it is actually easier*.
>>>>
>>>> *Well, driving the pair is easier, but hitching is not. Pair driving
>>>> should
>>>> ALWAYS be done with a groom/friend/navigator/assistant or whatever you
>>>> want
>>>> to call them. If something goes wrong there should be two people (one
>>>> to
>>>> head
>>>> and one to drive) if necessary. And it sure helps to have help when
>>>> hitching.
>>>>
>>>> ~cheers,
>>>> Wendy
>>>> www.martiniranch.wordpress.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _________________________________________________________
>>>> To Unsubscribe, change to Digest or Vacation mode go to:
>>>> http://www.drivingpairs.com/index.php?pg=2
>>>> `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> From: "Alpenland Haflingerhof" <alpenhof@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Subject: [drivingpairs] questions
>>> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:51:36 -0800
>>>
>>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>>> boundary="----=_NextPart_002_0022_01C71D33.DB4F1880"
>>>
>>> ------=_NextPart_002_0022_01C71D33.DB4F1880
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;
>>> charset="Windows-1252"
>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>>
>>> BlankAll this discussion of single vs. double has me thinking. It was =
>>> mentioned that horses need to be switched around and also driven single
>>> =
>>> to keep them flexible, both physically and mentally, and that they will
>>> =
>>> often lean if they're not switched.
>>>
>>> I have a team of mares who have been driven in the same configuration =
>>> pretty much exclusively since I bought them two years ago. I am a =
>>> chicken when it comes to doing new stuff because I don't have anyone =
>>> experienced to work with. This is the problem: The harness that I =
>>> bought them with is a biothane draft harness which seems to fit them =
>>> perfectly according to all diagrams. They lean (especially the right =
>>> horse) when they use this harness. When they are hitched in the =
>>> european-style heavy wooden collar draft harness that I use for parades,
>>> =
>>> they don't lean. Last summer, in desperation, I loaded the team up and
>>> =
>>> drove them 6 hours to a friends' house in Port Angeles and she, my =
>>> husband, a friend of hers and I worked the team for two or three days in
>>> =
>>> the biothane harness. When hitched with my harness to her carriage, the
>>> =
>>> right horse leaned so badly that I was frightened she would fall, and =
>>> the only thing that helped was to finally switch them. We tried =
>>> everything else.. It didn't seem a bad habit as much as it seemed like
>>> =
>>> a hardware issue.
>>>
>>> My question is, why would they lean in the one harness and not in the =
>>> other? =20
>>>
>>> My intention is to switch them (now that I know what to expect) and also
>>> =
>>> try to drive them single next summer. I intend to switch them around =
>>> and also drive them with different horses to make them more =
>>> independent/flexible. I hope this will all have a positive effect. I =
>>> also am going to fly to Florida in February to work with another lady =
>>> who drives, and her trainer, so that I can learn more about harness fit
>>> =
>>> and the dynamics of draft. I figure, the more I learn the better!
>>>
>>> Any comments or advice would be very welcome!
>>>
>>> Heidi in snowy Leavenworth=20
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------=_NextPart_002_0022_01C71D33.DB4F1880
>>> Content-Type: text/html;
>>> charset="Windows-1252"
>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>>
>>> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>>> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE id=3DridTitle>Blank</TITLE>
>>> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>>> charset=3Dwindows-1252"><BASE=20
>>> href=3D"file://C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft =
>>> Shared\Stationery\">
>>> <STYLE>BODY {
>>> MARGIN-TOP: 25px; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 25px; COLOR: #000000; =
>>> FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica
>>> }
>>> P.msoNormal {
>>> MARGIN-TOP: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; COLOR: #ffffcc; =
>>> FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica, "Times New Roman"
>>> }
>>> LI.msoNormal {
>>> MARGIN-TOP: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; COLOR: #ffffcc; =
>>> FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica, "Times New Roman"
>>> }
>>> </STYLE>
>>>
>>> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.5730.11" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD>
>>> <BODY id=3DridBody bgColor=3D#ffffff=20
>>> background=3Dcid:001f01c71d76$e9725880$6401a8c0@D4TY0541>
>>> <DIV>All this discussion of single vs. double has me thinking. It
>>> =
>>> was=20
>>> mentioned that horses need to be switched around and also driven single
>>> =
>>> to keep=20
>>> them flexible, both physically and mentally, and that they will often =
>>> lean if=20
>>> they're not switched.</DIV>
>>> <DIV> </DIV>
>>> <DIV>I have a team of mares who have been driven in the same =
>>> configuration=20
>>> pretty much exclusively since I bought them two years ago. I am a
>>> =
>>> chicken=20
>>> when it comes to doing new stuff because I don't have anyone experienced
>>> =
>>> to work=20
>>> with. This is the problem: The harness that I bought them =
>>> with is a=20
>>> biothane draft harness which seems to fit them perfectly according to =
>>> all=20
>>> diagrams. They lean (especially the right horse) when they use =
>>> this=20
>>> harness. When they are hitched in the european-style heavy wooden
>>> =
>>> collar=20
>>> draft harness that I use for parades, they don't lean. Last =
>>> summer, in=20
>>> desperation, I loaded the team up and drove them 6 hours to a friends' =
>>> house in=20
>>> Port Angeles and she, my husband, a friend of hers and I worked the team
>>> =
>>> for two=20
>>> or three days in the biothane harness. When hitched with my =
>>> harness to her=20
>>> carriage, the right horse leaned so badly that I was frightened she =
>>> would fall,=20
>>> and the only thing that helped was to finally switch them. We =
>>> tried=20
>>> everything else.. It didn't seem a bad habit as much as it seemed
>>> =
>>> like a=20
>>> hardware issue.</DIV>
>>> <DIV> </DIV>
>>> <DIV>My question is, why would they lean in the one harness and not in =
>>> the=20
>>> other? </DIV>
>>> <DIV> </DIV>
>>> <DIV>My intention is to switch them (now that I know what to expect) and
>>> =
>>> also=20
>>> try to drive them single next summer. I intend to switch them =
>>> around and=20
>>> also drive them with different horses to make them more=20
>>> independent/flexible. I hope this will all have a positive =
>>> effect. I=20
>>> also am going to fly to Florida in February to work with another lady =
>>> who=20
>>> drives, and her trainer, so that I can learn more about harness fit and
>>> =
>>> the=20
>>> dynamics of draft. I figure, the more I learn the better!</DIV>
>>> <DIV> </DIV>
>>> <DIV>Any comments or advice would be very welcome!</DIV>
>>> <DIV> </DIV>
>>> <DIV>Heidi in snowy Leavenworth </DIV>
>>> <DIV> </DIV>
>>> <DIV> </DIV>
>>> <P> </P></BODY></HTML>
>>>
>>> ------=_NextPart_002_0022_01C71D33.DB4F1880--
>>>
>>>
>>> -- No attachments (even text) are allowed --
>>> -- Type: image/gif
>>> -- File: Blank Bkgrd.gif
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- No attachments (even text) are allowed --
>>> -- Type: text/x-vcard
>>> -- File: Alpenland Haflingerhof.vcf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> From: N2Horsn@xxxxxxx
>>> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:07:00 EST
>>> Subject: [drivingpairs] Re: questions
>>>
>>> Be careful! You mentioned that you don't usually have "anyone
>>> experienced
>>> to work with". I never drive a team without an assistant.
>>> I don't know why they are having more problems in one harness than
>>> another.
>>> I would go over and over them both to check for comfort and fit. I'm
>>> sure
>>> someone else will have some ideas why.
>>>
>>> But be VERY careful when driving a horse single that has been used to
>>> going
>>> in a team. You didn't mention how much single experience they have
>>> had.
>>> If
>>> they haven't done it in 2 years, perhaps you should start with some
>>> single
>>> ground work.
>>>
>>> Like we said, teams have more confidence and only a pole on one side to
>>> feel.
>>> Where singles have shafts to be between and no buddy for mental
>>> support.
>>> When someone comes to me and says, "my horse drives", I ask a lot of
>>> questions. If they can't tell me of any single experience I will start
>>> them over from
>>> the ground to be on the safe side. If they ARE already trained... they
>>> will
>>> progress through all the groundwork really quickly. Better safe than
>>> sorry.
>>>
>>>
>>> ~cheers,
>>> Wendy
>>> www.martiniranch.wordpress.com
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 12/11/06 2:56:32 PM, alpenhof@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>> My intention is to switch them (now that I know what to expect) and
>>>> also
>>>> =
>>>> try to drive them single next summer. I intend to switch them around =
>>>> and also drive them with different horses to make them more =
>>>> independent/flexible. I hope this will all have a positive effect. I =
>>>> also am going to fly to Florida in February to work with another lady =
>>>> who drives, and her trainer, so that I can learn more about harness fit
>>>> =
>>>> and the dynamics of draft. I figure, the more I learn the better!
>>>>
>>>> Any comments or advice would be very welcome!
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> From: "Alpenland Haflingerhof" <alpenhof@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Subject: [drivingpairs] Re: questions
>>> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:26:17 -0800
>>>
>>> Hi Wendy
>>>
>>> Thanks for the post! Like I said, "I'm a chicken when it comes to
>>> trying
>>> something new." This does not mean that I am scared to work with
>>> horses,
>>> but that I always try to do things on the safe side. I always work with
>>> someone else, when I drive single or double. I always ground drive
>>> before
>>> I
>>> hitch, even my teams that I drive the most, when they have been standing
>>> awhile. That is good advice!
>>>
>>> I'm sure that I would be in a different place altogether if I were
>>> braver
>>> (like either more experienced and have more hours logged or in the
>>> hospital
>>> or worse). I am how I am, which means, careful. That is why I am
>>> posting
>>> these questions - I'd rather learn from others than from my own
>>> mistakes.
>>>
>>> Thanks for caring enough to write - I am posting this to the whole list
>>> so
>>> that everyone will see that I'm not going to just "do it."
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Heidi Forchemer
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> End of drivingpairs Digest V5 #289
>>> **********************************
>>> _________________________________________________________
>>> To Unsubscribe, change to Digest or Vacation mode go to:
>>> http://www.drivingpairs.com/index.php?pg=2
>>> `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>>> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/581 - Release Date:
>>> 12/9/2006
>>> 3:41 PM
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _________________________________________________________
>> To Unsubscribe, change to Digest or Vacation mode go to:
>> http://www.drivingpairs.com/index.php?pg=2
>> `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
>>
>
> _________________________________________________________
> To Unsubscribe, change to Digest or Vacation mode go to:
> http://www.drivingpairs.com/index.php?pg=2
> `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
>
>
>
> --
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.18/586 - Release Date:
> 12/13/2006 6:13 PM
>
>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users.
It has removed 191 spam emails to date.
Paying users do not have this message in their emails.
Try SPAMfighter for free now!
_________________________________________________________
To Unsubscribe, change to Digest or Vacation mode go to:
http://www.drivingpairs.com/index.php?pg=2
`````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
Other related posts:
