In my humble opinion the short answer to your question is -- I'm not sure you've gotten started yet! Let's look at it throught the horses eyes. You take me out for a drive outback and around my pasture. I'm very familiar with the land and there are no noises I haven't heard before. BUT But when we go out on the real black hard ground that jars my legs and I hear different sounds it is a little unneving. THen this loud sound starts comming and pretty soon this big box passes me with a blast of air that nearly knocks me off my feet with sounds I never heard before. I know if I am to survive this mess I had best get going and when I do you get scared but thats OK I'll take you to safety. And after its gone all is normal. So if that is his 'view' of life then I must TEACH him all sounds aren't bad. I can do some of this by playing with him in a familiar safe round pen/arena area. I will use whips, plastic bags and any thing scary I can get and play tag with him. If I touch him I win, if he gets by me he wins. I will do this VERY controlled so that he understands I ALWAYS have control of the monster. That the monster will always obey me and never hurt him. I won't push the game until he is scared. Next I would start long line driving with the same type of toys! (There is a reason why prof. trainers showing EP horses use fire extinguishers, rattles and other noise makers. It is NOT to scare or hurt the horse) I would introduce each toy carefully so the horse isn't afarid but understands I still have control. When he ggets scared I go to the horses head with one line wrapped around the hindquarters and I lecture that noise scary thing until it backs away from the horse and the horse is protected by me because I'm infront of him. Once he trusts me to listen to me in a controlled environment then we head for the scary places. I pick them so that when the noise occurrs I can exit the road and stop until it passes. Each time we face the monster and whenever possible I or my footman is at their head. In the end I have convinced him I am dominant, protective and trust worthy. I will never betray him on these points. But then I will have a partner whe next time will ask if he should run to protect me! So get started be willing to do lots of controlled environment work on the ground with very quite disciplined fun drives ( Fun = Horse likes the drive not people) ......................... Al --- FreeLists Mailing List Manager --------------- > > Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 09:41:54 -0400 > From: Stephanie <ssher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [drivingpairs] Time to give up? > > Two summers ago my pair bolted downhill at a gallop > when a large empty > semi came bouncing over a hill behind us on a small > country road We > managed to get out of the situation without a wreck, > but Flygill, the > inside horse, was very unnerved. It was he who > spooked initially. I > spent all last summer riding him, and driving him > single, taking him > around large equipment working. I even had my > husband pass us over and > over with our trailer, working up to a high speed > with the partition > banging. Flygill was controllable, but never got > over acting very > nervous and springing forward for a stride or two. > Would you say that > if he were going to improve enough to be returned to > the pair, that it > would have happened by now? My goal for the pair > is to be able to take > non-riding guests on a nice carriage ride, but the > only place we can > drive is on the road, albeit quiet country roads > (usually). Time to > look for another horse for the pair? > Stephanie > Blasted Rock Farm Aspice Morgans Albert Seminatore Roswell, NM E-Mail: alsemus@xxxxxxxxx WebSite: http://www.aspicemorgans.com __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html _________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe, change to Digest or Vacation mode go to: http://www.drivingpairs.com/dpmem.shtml `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````