I talked to my husband about how he figured his length on poles. He doesn't like a formula with marathon vehicles, since front end attachments are so varied. He starts with vehicle and horse size. Some vehicles allow horses to be more closely attached to vehicle because the hind legs will go under the vehicle when they trot out. Other vehicles will not allow close hitching, because of low evener, splinter bar, pole attachment or single tree attachment. Some vehicles are too narrow for THIS PARTICULAR PAIR of horses to be hitched close, since legs will hit the wheels when trotting out. Other smaller pairs might be much closer. He stands one of the pair in front of vehicle, lifts and extends hind leg out behind, as far as possible, like when doing big trot, canter. How far does hoof go? Is it possible to catch the foot on wheel? or any other low hardware? Move horse forward, try extension of leg until there is no chance of him being able to clip anything of vehicle with hind leg. Measure length to chest, mark it in the dirt. Write it down too. Mark where hoofs were best fit, in dirt. Bring out the other pair horse and do the same thing. Start with first horse marks. Some horses are more athletic than partner, so both must be checked. Go with the biggest moving horse for length. Pole extends about 3" past the harnessed horse's chest. Thick breastcollars are part of the equation. Yoke length is measured from center of chest on both horses. Horses are standing beside pole, with barrel, just touching pole. Again, go with the bigger horse chest, so yoke is centered on pole. Our yoke has snap shackles on each end. This will allow about 4" play between chest ring and yoke end. Tieing the horses in tight to pole, (using a too short yoke, pole head on a too short pole) makes horses automatically pull away from pole. Side pull affects their balance. Horses and driver are already in conflict, and you have not even moved. Driver should be able to adjust reins to make horses move closer or further away from pole, without tieing them in. Yoke fitting goes into the end of pole. Allows yoke to swivel, forward and back, up and down. This will allow horses to fold the yoke making whole pair narrower for hazards. Horses get closer together on pole as they go around turns. Streamlines everything. Our poles are also adjustable, but usually left at working length. Might be extended for a new horse being started, never shortened from working length. Our horses are all very similar in size and reach, so we don't have a fitting problem, even changing horses around. Might tighten traces a hole, so less play in harness, for hazard practice or for marathon. Want vehicle to respond to horse movement quicker, than when jogging down the trail. We practice everything at working length on pole. Changing major stuff, like turnout length, for a competition, doesn't work for us. We want to practice just like how we plan to go. No surprises for horses. All of our previous practice has made driver attuned to length, turning radius, capabilities of complete turnout, in the back of driver mind. Leaves the faster thinking brain part to note immediate needs and put the whole picture together for action. Changing parts of the equation of turnout at the last second, makes you have to REALLY calculate, and you don't have enough time in a hazard. It has to be automatic response, from many previous practices. Kathy Robertson __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe, change to Digest or Vacation mode go to: http://www.drivingpairs.com/dpmem.html `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````