In a message dated 5/16/2006 11:32:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, target@xxxxxxx writes: I believe it was hooked to the BIT ........ It took over a year o get him back on the bit . every time we stopped he would back up at least one or two steps to get away from the very light pressure on his mouth. We even went so far as to use one of those rubber straight bar bits.>> I don't think that's what I want to do. My impression when learning about this strap was that it would be hard to adjust properly using the bit --without interfering with the horse-- even when he was "right". That seems an unworkable situation because it would seem that the strap and the driver would often be in conflict and the horse would have no idea what to do. I'm hoping to hear from someone who has tried this using the halter. AND I know what you want with a "Wagon Team" . But it's still easyer to hold one back than to push one forward. >> Exactly why I would like this--if it works.... Since no one on the list seems to have seen a buckback or stayback strap in use, I guess I'll try to figure it out myself and give a report. If you never hear from me again, it didn't work! ;-) Carla Walland, TN _www.echobrookefarm.com_ (http://www.echobrookefarm.com)