We use Tedman harness for the pair and team. We told them what we wanted and they used our measurements. There is not really anything we would want changed. It is the same pattern we have used thru three sets of harness for different horses. Was the same for our first pair harness. We looked at a lot of pictures, observed horses at work in CDE driving. There is a reason majority of drivers have certain items, or doesn't! Tedman is a soft nylon fabric and leather, harness. Has stood up to VERY hard wear for about seven years now. We like it's very light weight and strength a lot. Big plus is washable. Extremely nice stainless hardware. Things we order on harness: breastcollar neck support straps to run thru the chest ring. Martingales, European neckstrap rings, wide saddles, no breeching, leather cruppers, very wide, padded, pair breastcollars. Breastcollars have buckle in traces. We have extra traces, with both snap-shackles and Ds for two kinds of marathon vehicles. Leader traces are longer. Hip straps for leader traces. Leather padding on breastcollars comes off. Wheelers need extra rein terret on saddles for leader reins. Rein rings for wheeler bridles to carry leader reins. We do not use roger rings on the browband. We have Achenbach reins for the pair. Driver measured the horses, vehicle, and told her how long to make the reins and couplers on all three sets of reins, Achenbach pair, wheeler reins and leader reins for team. He doesn't use Achenbach reins on the team, buckles seem to get in the way too much for speedy rein changes. Pole straps to match. We do have two extra bridles with cup blinkers that worked very well on one pair of horses. Present horses like the bigger blinkers. Tedman reins are a special weave, not slippy or grabby, very nice in rain, cold, but do blow in the wind, pull horses a little. Horses NOTICE when you change back to leather, which we do in spring. Love the low upkeep. Able to put four saddles and breastcollars in one bag for transport, without killing yourself picking it up. We also have leather harness. Seldom use it anymore. Just seems to be more work, HEAVY. I do like the looks of leather and how it feels, but is not as easy to use. The nylon has not sored or rubbed anyone, and they are sensitive skinned. Measuring correctly, pictures with writing, are a big aid with harness makers. Both of you understand the terms used. Our horses are large, so proportions are different. This is where measuring gets important. Our horses girth at about 80" to 84". All have very short backs, but huge length from one side of saddle to chest to other side of saddle. Important, to have breastcollar trace buckles behind saddle, not on it. Also placing of rings on breastcollars on chest. We have two locations, for pole straps and neck yoke clips. Measure heads, noseband sizes, browband, throatlatch lengths. Variation on a team will often surprise you. Shaped bridle crowns with sidecheck rings are a good feature if available. You can use the little ring for a lot of things, like decorations, or sidecheck if you have a "diver." We always order hardware in stainless. Stronger, less work. Can't think of anything else, that we wished we had gotten. Putting so much thought into the first one, made the others easier. The leather ones we ordered with these same features when we started. Good synthetics were not available then. Kathy Robertson > > If you knew now what you knew when you bought your > first pair harness (or other > +) what would you have done differently? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe, change to Digest or Vacation mode go to: http://www.drivingpairs.com/dpmem.html `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````