Sorry to be a little late on this topic. We really do not care for forecarts as a carriage pair training vehicle. Forecarts, as mentioned, were developed to pull tools, like cultivators, drags, spreaders. They don't balance well, usually being very heavy at the pole tip. Driver getting in seat, seldom affects balance. Yoke between the horses supports pole, but pulls down heavily on the neckcollars. This can be hard on a horses neck, just holding pole up. With a tool behind working, the drag of towed tool, will lighten up the pole weight some, but usually does not reach a balance point. Pole weight can vary, jerking, as tool behind forecart hops or drags on ground surface. If horse does not spook from jerking pole, load behind, he does learn how to pull hard. Ground driven spreaders are heavy, hard work to empty. Light, carriage driving horses should not be pulling with front legs, but pushing from behind. Just the difference in jobs. I really would not like seeing new pairs, light horses, ponies, having to carry such a heavy pole weight, while learning their job as a pair. Most of the forecarts I see are homemade, balance is not a consideration! Solid is the big selling point. Around here it is draft drivers and people moving down from big horses to draft ponies, so they stay with their previous training and thinking. Heavy harness, heavy vehicles. Most do more heavy pulling, spreading manure, stoneboats, hitch wagons, all at fairly slow speeds. Their horses don't get speed and mileage, jogging down the road being pulled down on the neck. Just putting this forward, to be considered, before purchasing a vehicle. How you want the horse to finish, should be thought of, as you go thru training steps. Even light movers, get flat, learn bad habits, bad body carriage, when dragged down by the vehicle. Light horses, ponies, have a lot more work, physical effort, to manage a forecart than draft horses would. Kathy Robertson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus _________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe, change to Digest or Vacation mode go to: http://www.drivingpairs.com/dpmem.html `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````