Sorry. I strongly disagree with any horse, long lining, or driving as in pulling something, being used without a real bridle, which includes a bit in the mouth. Sidepulls, bosal, halters, do not work correctly with driven horses. They are meant to be used with almost a 90 degree sideways rein pull, bending or breaking the angle of horse head on neck for turning. Not to hurt the horse, but rider reaches reins way out to the side to start pull and turn. A trained horse is much more refined for signals, but that is where you start. I am not a fan of these bitless methods, even on riding horses. With ground work, angles of long lines is very different than riding reins. Plus you have no weight or legs along with 90 degree sid-pulling arm, to aid your requests. Whip can't do it all, in the same way. Horses are horses, they do unexpected things, for no reason we can see. Sometimes they do good things, other times it can frighten us and themselves. Happens in familiar and unfamiliar places. Bridleless-bitless, you have an illusion of control, ponies are working with you. If a "situation" develops, you really can't stop or turn them, as halters slide around on their heads. You sure don't want a vehicle or tire, attached in the bargin! First and most important rule at any driving event is "Don't remove the bridle of a horse hitched to a vehicle." You will be eliminated from the show and asked to leave. Doesn't matter if you do it regularly, or if you are at the barn or trailer. You are done for the day if someone sees you! You are being unsafe for the rest of the folks. Call a tooth person, get the mouths attended to. Then drive with bits in their mouths. Sorry, you just don't want to do some things with driving horses, that you can with a riding horse. For the shots thing, we do a good pinch of horse, sking and flesh, then hold it, letting it numb up, before injecting the needle in skin. The pinch trick works well with everyone, from the most sensitive babies, to the very thin skinned TB crosses. All act very well for shots, with being pinched first. I would practice pinching neck on both sides, along with the alcohol smell, maybe some other medicine smells just dabbed on. Vets do smell funny, even if they have clean clothes on! Like the dentist office, always smells, but the workers never notice it anymore. Kathy Robertson they are coming 3 and 4 in > May and still definitely teething.so even the ground > driving right now is > just in halters...single. > > Has anyone ever ground driven a young pair in just > halters? I have an indoor > arena that they love to be in and are not spooky > in. This pair seems to be > very willing and I want to keep them that way. > > The only problem I've had so far is the younger one > hates getting shots and REALLY FIGHTS it. > They've had all their spring shots so aren't due > again until fall - so I have some time to figure out what to do. The vet thought maybe the alcohol smell > helped to wind him up __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe, change to Digest or Vacation mode go to: http://www.drivingpairs.com/dpmem.html `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````