[dokuwiki] Re: stricter XHTML

  • From: "Christopher Mc Carthy" <christopher.mccarthy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <dokuwiki@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:05:31 +0100

I say go for transitional.  Standards are something to aim for, but at
the end of the day we all have jobs to do (so unless it is your job to
make something with strict compliance, or you are legally bound to,
let's go for a balance of what really works and what should work).

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: dokuwiki-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:dokuwiki-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Anika Henke
Sent: 15 January, 2006 21:06
To: dokuwiki@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [dokuwiki] stricter XHTML


Hallo list!

During the last two days I made two patches for stricter XHTML 
compliance of DokuWiki. I replaced or deleted some deprecated elements 
and attributes and more. (BTW, with those patches the amount of "xhtml 
1.0 strict" validation errors of the wiki:syntax page are reduced from 
117 to 7.)

For template developers: Heed additions and alterations to 
./lib/tpl/default/design.css! (div.no, fieldset, img.middle and 
div.footerinc)

I don't know if we should go *all* of the next steps to full XHTML 
Strict compliance. All the steps I've done so far, do not hurt. But 
going further could ... So, I would like to know: What does the list 
think about Transitional vs. Strict? I would like to know your opinion 
in mainly the following subjects:

- The <u> tag: If we should go for XHTML Strict (which no-one has yet 
decided!), abandoning underlinings would be the hardest to convince 
people about. Most people feel they need to be able to underline text 
... So taking this feature completely away seems impossible.
*If* we did Strict, I would recommend not just to replace <u> by 
something like <span class="u">, but by <em class="u"> and style it like

<u>, as people usually underline text when they want to emphasize
things!?

- The target attribute of the <a> tag: 
http://accessify.com/features/tutorials/the-perfect-popup/ is a good 
read about that subject.
So, external links could be handled by JavaScript ... Could we live 
without target="_blank"? Are other targets used?

- The attribute "name" is not allowed in the form tag with Strict. How 
problematic is it with the existing JavaScript? (This is a more specific

question to a few people, rather than a general one to the whole list.)

I have got more questions, but these are the most important ones.

To sum it up:
Strict just for the sake of it? Or Strict because we believe in it? Or 
no Strict at all?


Anika

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