Back in the earlier years of Postscript font design, the late 1980, Adobe kept the design and architecture of the Type 1 family to itself. It encouraged third party houses to develop fonts using Type 3 technology instead. Type 3 was pretty popular as it was somewhat easier to design fonts for and had some extras that Type 1 didn't, like the ability to embed itself directly in the postscript output or to force characters to be drawn as bitmaps or even to use bitmaps as elements in the fonts. Type 3 fonts, though, had their drawbacks. Most notably, they couldn't be managed with Adobe Type Manager. One concept that seemed like a great idea at the time is a real liability when you're trying to make a document accessible. That concept was the ability to download outline fonts as bitmap fonts. From a pre-press perspective, Type 3 fonts sometimes post major stumbling blocks when trying to rasterize a PDF for print - a process usually referred to as "ripping". One hint that you're facing a Type 3 font challenge is when you try to tag a PDF and you get an odd error message that "too many unknown font encodings encountered". This generally suggests there's a significant problem with the use of Type 3 fonts and that Acrobat, which uses Type 1, OpenType, and TrueType fonts, can't handle. So, what's the Undoc user to do? You do have a variety of options. Certainly, if you can - try to get your hands on the missing Type 3 fonts. Once those are installed, you may have more success. Your second approach is a bit more taxing. It's likely that your fonts have been subsetted within the PDF. This means that the underlying postscript code that lurks inside your PDF has the postscript instructions necessary to draw the characters that were used. If this is true, you may be able to extract that font subset and recreate it. Products like Macromedia's Fontographer can help you here. This is a process called "font stripping". To extract the troublesome fonts, save the PDF as an EPS file within Acrobat. Use a text editor to open the EPS and looking for a line that begins with "%%BeginResource: font ...". Copy that line and everything below up to and including the line that starts with "PDFVars /TermAll get exec end end". Copy these lines into a new text file with the name of the font that you're going to recreate. Remember to make sure you get the file name extension right! This is platform specific, and on the Macintosh you'll need to get the correct Type and Creator codes. Open the file with a font editor and recreate the missing font. It probably won't be the full set of characters; most people who create PDFs only subset the minimal set they need within the PDF to reduce the file size and to respect the property rights of whoever created the font. Once you have all the fonts recreated and installed, you may then be able to use the Acrobat Touch Up Text tool to try to change the font used. In this case, "may be" is a cautionary statement. One feature of Type 3 fonts that I spoke about earlier was how these fonts could be drawn as bitmaps - and this is also true when documents using such fonts are printed, including to PDF, or to postscript that is then distilled into PDF. It is quite possible to find that when the PDF was generated the fonts were embedded as graphics. That can produce a better looking document that behaves better as a PDF when it's scaled or resized, but what it produces is a graphic element that's generated by the postscript programming language. It's not a file with embedded text and associated styles and markups. You can test your PDF with Adobe Acrobat by exporting the text in the file. Use Acrobat's "File->Save As" menu and export to text. When you open the text output you should see, well, text. Lots of text. If you don't see text, but see lots of odd chacters like square boxes, tildes, and single digit numbers, you probably have a postscript file with embedded Type 3 font use to generate characters programmatically. When you encounter this kind of a problem, there's still one thing you can try. Go back into Acrobat and save your PDF as TIFF using the "File->Save As" menu. Then, use an optical character recognition (OCR) tool to try to recreate the file. Bill ________________________ Bill Diamond Director of Marketing and Alliances Deque Systems (http://www.deque.com <http://www.deque.com/> ) 11180 Sunrise Valley Drive, Suite 400 Reston , VA 20191 +001 703 225-0380 voice +001 703 225-0387 fax 877-OK-TODAY USA Free Call