[ddots-l] Re: vocal effects
- From: "Sean A. Cummins" <seanacummins@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 08:39:06 -0700
BlankDear Neville,
Yamaha Pitch Fix doesn't sound as good as the Antares AutoTune 5. There are HSC
sets for the AutoTune 5.
As for your other questions, the "rec" button above the E.Q. section is for
arming and unarming tracks by holding the "Rec" key and pressing the first
button below the pan knob. This is the track select button.
as far as the E.Q., you have to go into the track inspector to enable the E.Q.
bands you want to use first, then the button and knobs will work.
Sean
----- Original Message -----
From: neville
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 7:46 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: vocal effects
I thought that Yamaha Pitch fix was somewhat accessible. I had heard that if
you insurt Yamaha pitch fix as a soft synth, you could then change pitch
through midi. Is this not true?
----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Smart
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 10:51 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: vocal effects
Most software vocoders are terrible. The only one that I've ever found that is
only half way decent is the one from Prosonic. You can only change its settings
from the track inspector, and because of how audio is routed in Sonar, it is
extremely difficult to render its output to an audio track with out a lot of
external signal routing. Even then, it doesn't have a lot of high frequency
response. Its still probably the best that you'll get, though, since the rest
have crappy filterbanks that require lots of compression for the input, so the
result is that the vocoded voice has lots of noise in it. Basically, you'd do
better to just go buy something like an Electrix Warp Factory. They're only
about $200. For pitch correction, you can use the V-Vocal processing in Sonar
through a Hotspot clicker set, I think, but I hear that you can only operate
just a few parameters. Antares Auto-Tune is also available for pitch
correction. You can only operate the VST version, and you can only change its
settings through the track inspector. You can only use the automatic correction
(where you give it a single scale, and all notes that are sung are forced to
that scale). What you're hearing on the radio lately (Urban radio, that is), is
mostly MIDI controlled pitch correction. This is where you play a note on your
keyboard, and anything that is sung into the mic is forced to the pitch of the
note that you're playing. I don't know any blind person that's been able to get
this to work with Sonar, because Sonar has traditionally been unable to route
MIDI control to audio effects (only soft synths). I think that has changed in
Sonar 7, but I haven't tried it yet to know if it works. Once again, my
solution was to buy external gear. I have a TC Helicon Voiceworks, and it can
do pitch correction (both automatic and MIDI controlled), as well as being an
automatic or MIDI controlled four-part harmonizer, and effects unit. The
Voiceworks makes a good front-end for a vocal channel, since you can plug a mic
directly into it, use the built-in gate and compression, apply pitch
correction, add four-part harmony, enhance the vocals with effects (like
tempo-synced delay or reverb), and record that directly into Sonar. You can get
one of those for $500-$600. The only software harmonizer that I've found which
is worth anything is the Steinberg Voice Machine, and it has too much latency
to be usable in real-time. You can, though, record a vocal track, record a MIDI
track with chords, and then, once everything is recorded, have the Voice
Machine produce harmonies from the vocal on the audio track by using the MIDI
control data that you separately recorded. For me, though, it is such a slow
and frustrating process to produce synthetic harmonies that way, since you
can't hear what you've done until long after you've recorded the control data.
You'll constantly be re-doing the control track. Plus, the harmonizer
algorithms sound like old Digitech stuff from the early 90's. It sounds very
much like a computer voice singing, with all of the computer harmony voices
being perfectly quantized/locked with each other. By comparison, the Voiceworks
humanizes the harmony voices: they start singing notes at slightly different
times from each other, they can slightly vary their pitch to simulate subtle
human imperfection, and can slightly randomize the speed and timing of their
vibratos. Plus, the pitch shifting just sound more real and less like chipmunk
style. You won't find a talkbox plug-in that sounds anything like the screaming
style of Peter Frampton, or the synthetic sound of Roger Troutman. If you want
to scream, then go buy a Rocktron Banshee. The Banshee is an all-in-one pedal
with integrated amp and driver. If you want to sound like Roger, you need lower
gain, so you'll have to buy a traditional talkbox like a Hile, and use an
external guitar amp to drive it. Sorry, but you're going to have to spend a
fair amount of cash. The good news is that all of this hardware that I've
mentioned is accessible. Bryan
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Craig Spencer
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 4:05 AM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: vocal effects
Hi everyone,
Are there any accessible vocal effects VSTs that work with Sonar and CT?
One that includes a vocoder and a talkbox and where you can manipulate the
notes of a melody using a midi track. Something like what they are using in
today's music.
I am not just talking about freeware but one that we may have to pay for.
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