[ddots-l] Re: vocal effects
- From: "neville" <neville@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:50:01 -0400
BlankI got V vocal to work with HSC, but I couldn't get Auto tune to work with
HSC. Maybe because I had the demo virsion of Auto Tune.
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Muir
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 3:50 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: vocal effects
Bryan wrote: Antares Auto-Tune is also available for pitch correction. You
can only operate the VST version, and you can only change its settings through
the track inspector.
Phil replied: we have an .hsc set for the .vst version of AutoTune 5 which is
posted on the HotSpotClicker website and works well. All of the HotSpotClicker
plug-ins for Sonar 5, now have help written for them and most of the ones for
Sonar6 and beyond do as well. All of this information is up on the
HotSpotClicker website. Enjoy!
Regards, Phil Muir
P J Muir Productions
Music And Audio Production
URL:
http://www.philmuir.com/
Band website:
http://www.demuirs.com/
----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Smart
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 2:51 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: vocal effects
Most software vocoders are terrible. The only one that I've ever found that
is only half way decent is the one from Prosonic. You can only change its
settings from the track inspector, and because of how audio is routed in Sonar,
it is extremely difficult to render its output to an audio track with out a lot
of external signal routing. Even then, it doesn't have a lot of high frequency
response. Its still probably the best that you'll get, though, since the rest
have crappy filterbanks that require lots of compression for the input, so the
result is that the vocoded voice has lots of noise in it. Basically, you'd do
better to just go buy something like an Electrix Warp Factory. They're only
about $200.
For pitch correction, you can use the V-Vocal processing in Sonar through a
Hotspot clicker set, I think, but I hear that you can only operate just a few
parameters.
Antares Auto-Tune is also available for pitch correction. You can only
operate the VST version, and you can only change its settings through the track
inspector. You can only use the automatic correction (where you give it a
single scale, and all notes that are sung are forced to that scale). What
you're hearing on the radio lately (Urban radio, that is), is mostly MIDI
controlled pitch correction. This is where you play a note on your keyboard,
and anything that is sung into the mic is forced to the pitch of the note that
you're playing. I don't know any blind person that's been able to get this to
work with Sonar, because Sonar has traditionally been unable to route MIDI
control to audio effects (only soft synths). I think that has changed in Sonar
7, but I haven't tried it yet to know if it works. Once again, my solution was
to buy external gear. I have a TC Helicon Voiceworks, and it can do pitch
correction (both automatic and MIDI controlled), as well as being an automatic
or MIDI controlled four-part harmonizer, and effects unit. The Voiceworks
makes a good front-end for a vocal channel, since you can plug a mic directly
into it, use the built-in gate and compression, apply pitch correction, add
four-part harmony, enhance the vocals with effects (like tempo-synced delay or
reverb), and record that directly into Sonar. You can get one of those for
$500-$600.
The only software harmonizer that I've found which is worth anything is the
Steinberg Voice Machine, and it has too much latency to be usable in real-time.
You can, though, record a vocal track, record a MIDI track with chords, and
then, once everything is recorded, have the Voice Machine produce harmonies
from the vocal on the audio track by using the MIDI control data that you
separately recorded. For me, though, it is such a slow and frustrating process
to produce synthetic harmonies that way, since you can't hear what you've done
until long after you've recorded the control data. You'll constantly be
re-doing the control track. Plus, the harmonizer algorithms sound like old
Digitech stuff from the early 90's. It sounds very much like a computer voice
singing, with all of the computer harmony voices being perfectly
quantized/locked with each other. By comparison, the Voiceworks humanizes the
harmony voices: they start singing notes at slightly different times from each
other, they can slightly vary their pitch to simulate subtle human
imperfection, and can slightly randomize the speed and timing of their
vibratos. Plus, the pitch shifting just sound more real and less like chipmunk
style.
You won't find a talkbox plug-in that sounds anything like the screaming
style of Peter Frampton, or the synthetic sound of Roger Troutman. If you want
to scream, then go buy a Rocktron Banshee. The Banshee is an all-in-one pedal
with integrated amp and driver. If you want to sound like Roger, you need lower
gain, so you'll have to buy a traditional talkbox like a Hile, and use an
external guitar amp to drive it.
Sorry, but you're going to have to spend a fair amount of cash. The good
news is that all of this hardware that I've mentioned is accessible.
Bryan
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Craig Spencer
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 4:05 AM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: vocal effects
Hi everyone,
Are there any accessible vocal effects VSTs that work with Sonar and CT?
One that includes a vocoder and a talkbox and where you can manipulate the
notes of a melody using a midi track. Something like what they are using in
today's music.
I am not just talking about freeware but one that we may have to pay for.
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