[ddots-l] Re: some opinions
- From: Bryan Smart <bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 11:12:56 -0400
Here is how this works:
When a sequencer program like Sonar wishes to command a MIDI keyboard or sound
module to load a specific voice preset, Sonar sends what is called a patch
change message. When people use the track properties dialog in Sonar to change
the instrument voice that is heard from a synthesizer, Sonar is sending patch
change messages as you scroll through the list of available voices.
Patch change commands aren't just for MIDI keyboards and modules, though. Most
MIDI-capable gear will respond to patch change commands. MIDI-capable effects
units will respond by changing the current preset. If you connect your Pod to
Sonar over MIDI, then change patches from the track properties window, you'll
notice that the effects preset on the Pod will change.
Other than the track properties dialog, there is another way to use patch
change commands from Sonar. Patch change commands can be added in the middle of
a track as a MIDI event. To recap, the track properties dialog selects the
voice or preset that the track will initially be set to play at the beginning
of the project, but patch change events on that track can change the patch in
the middle of the project.
Now, simply put these two bits of info together. To accomplish what you
observed, you'd need to have Sonar playing a backing track of some type, even
if it is just a click or percussion track. In that project, you'd add another
track to control your Pod. The new track for controlling the Pod would need to
have its output set to the MIDI port where the Pod is connected. At appropriate
points in the song (goin in to or out of a solo, for example), you'd insert
patch change commands on the track to call up the appropriate preset on the
Pod. Then, when you started the project playing from the beginning, those patch
change commands would automatically go out to the Pod and change its preset.
You can go further with this sort of MIDI automation. Many MIDI-capable effects
units also respond to continuous controller (CC) messages. Some people will be
familiar with at least a few of these as they're used in general MIDI. You can
frequently control several, though not all, aspects of the sound with CC
messages, including reverb and chorus amount, pan, and volume. I don't know
which ones your Pod will respond to, but its manual should have that info. For
my VoiceLive 2, MIDI CC messages can adjust the volume and pan position for the
lead voice, each of the 4 harmony parts, volume, chorus and reverb amount,
portamento time, vibrato amount, formant shift, and several others. Some
effects units have quite extensive support for MIDI control.
Bryan
On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:28 PM, Mark Burroughs wrote:
Hi tom,
Sorry about the lag time in my response…
I talked with the drummer, the guy who controlled the computer during a gig,
about how he made my Line 6 play nice with Sonar on stage. He told me that he
would select different guitar parts, making sure it was between notes, and then
select the patch I was on in the midi editor and hit save. This way a louder
patch would come on when it was time to solo, or a patch with an effect would
come up for different songs, etc.
I’m sure there are guys on Midi-Mag that could tell you how to do this with
ease. I’m still more analog and basic digital informed only. The guys that
have been using midi for years probably know exactly what you would need to do
in order for the software to interact with the midi to let you have total
freedom on stage to just play music and not have to worry about a midi pedal
constantly to change your sound.
Sorry I am not more informed about this and feel like a super star just because
I figured out how to use Dimension Pro’s instruments. The basic midi stuff is
beyond me at this point though.
HTH and good luck,
Mark
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[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tom De Rosa
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 5:36 AM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: some opinions
Mark, I'm a guitar player and song writer and looking to go live. Your
comments about setting the guitar to a mid and not having to stomp on the foot
peddles is something I would love to figure out.
Could you give a better idea as to how your doing this. For example, going to
using corous to distortion or clean to distortion in the same song without
looking for the stomp box?
Tom DeRosa
URL www.myspace.com/tder08<http://www.myspace.com/tder08>
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Burroughs<mailto:quarryman@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 9:02 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: some opinions
Sorry Omar… I was coming at it from a lead singer/guitarist with other band
member’s perspective. If you are running your Motif through a board with your
vocal; whether it is just you/or a full band, I would think that would be great.
Rock on…
Mark
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[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Omar Binno
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 7:05 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: some opinions
All this can be done from within the motif, though. I had no plans for using
any mp3's at all; only midi sequences. Perhaps I should be more specific. Would
it be more beneficial to use a laptop and sonar on stage rather than just the
motif to run/play the midi sequences? I tend to think that the motif alone
should be fine, but if anyone can think of any advantages of playing the
sequences through a laptop and sonar, with the motif only as a sound generator,
please share.
Thanks again.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Burroughs<mailto:quarryman@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:01 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: some opinions
Let’s see…. A few random thoughts about midi vs. MP3 on stage…
If the bass player is sick; you just unmute the bass… grin
Or perhaps a traveling piano player wants to gig with you between shows at the
Met… mute the piano and let him jam.
Or maybe you realize that you are getting too old to remember the words, so you
add some cheater lines to a track that only goes in your monitor, just prior to
the start of each verse/chorus and when the solo should start.
How cool is it to set the volume and effect controls through midi for the
guitar, so all you have to do is play and sing? Not repeatedly stomp on your
midi control foot pedal like you are looking for your lost glass slide or
guitar picks on the floor?
Just try adding the four above scenarios to an MP3?
I dunnno, Sonar’s playlist makes anything possible… guffaw… Love to set it for
five seconds between songs, so the music almost seems constant to the audience.
You can also do multiple midi tracks with a group of three songs that are
similar with no break in between; to keep em dancing.
It’s always better if you can have the 9 fellow musicians to play on stage with
you, but how realistic is that? I did good keeping a drummer, bass player and
a female vocalist that played acoustic together for three years. I’ve spent the
last two only doing studio work, learning Sonar, and hoping I can get a good
mix of original songs, so that I can get out of the totally cover song band
scene.
I agree with John that having versatility in being able to tweak your songs is
a huge plus.
Good luck though with whatever works for you. You have to feel comfortable
with your gear and audio. You are the one using it.
Mark
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[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Fioravanti
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 5:39 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: some opinions
Hi: The advantage to midi, if you consider it an advantage, is that you can
edit it if you find that certain parts are too loud etc. Once you do an MP3,
it's done. Of course, some people here use them and it's probably the best way
to go. But midi is easier to change once you've heard it on stage. John
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From: Dave Hillebrandt<mailto:dave@xxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 6:21 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: some opinions
I can see a lot of advantages in having a laptop on stage but understand what
you mean in regards to the pc doing all of the work. I would like to take that
just a step further as wonder why some choose to have computers play drum
machines and synths via midi rather than simply recording the parts and playing
along to an mp3. I realize some do that as well but just wondering the
advantage of using the midi verses recording parts and making an mp3 out of it
to play with. Would think that having extra midi stuff would take up more room
than an mp3 player if you aren't actually playing all of the parts. Thanks for
any input as curious to hear opinions. Dave
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From: Steve Wicketts<mailto:steve.wicketts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:05 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: some opinions
Hi Omar,
I personally don't like lap tops on stage. People see a computer and instantly
think that the computer is doing all of the work.
On all songs, I put 1 bar of drum hits or rhythm for my personal recognition
just so I know straight away which song is set up, this way the audience don't
suddenly hear a familiar beginning of a recognisable song.
Steve W
----- Original Message -----
From: Omar Binno<mailto:omarbinno@xxxxxxxxx>
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 2:47 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] some opinions
Hello,
I'm going to start gigging live soon and wanted to hear some thoughts. I'll be
using a Motif ES6 to play midi sequences. My question is: if my band performs
around 30 songs a night, would it be more efficient to just use the motif's
playback capabilities to run the sequenced files, or would it be more
beneficial to use a laptop to handle the operation?
Thank you for all input.
OMAR BINNO
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