Bryan wrote: Anyone that purchased the downloadable 8.5 update will need to install Sonar 8 before upgrading to 8.5, and will be required to leave 8.0 on their system. That really annoyed me, and I didn't realize that was how things would be until I'd already paid for the download version. Phil replied: not quite, smile. if you already have Sonar 8.31 installed then, you could simply install Sonar 8.5 then, you could remove the Sonar 8.31 installation. Note, when removing Sonar 8.31, remember to not "remove shared files as you could inadvertently remove some components that were not available in the Sonar 8.5 downloadable installer. Bryan wrote: Of course, I knew that the download version wouldn't include media or shipping, but it is customary for the data to be the same. I didn't know that the download version is a different installer than what I would receive on DVD. Phil replied: they kept the downloadable installer smaller because some users have a cap on bandwidth. For example, over here in the UK, a lot of people have broadband packages with a band width cap. Bryan wrote: Anyone purchasing a new copy of Sonar 8.5 will be able to install from scratch. Phil replied: true, and the reason for not packaging all of the content with the downloadable product is that you already have Dimension Pro, Beatscape etc on your Sonar 8 DVD set hence, them offering the cheaper download option to customers. Bryan wrote: I'm also told that it is possible to purchase an upgrade from the 8.5 download to the full product from the Cakewalk store, but I haven't checked on that yet. I will, though, as installing and upgrading 8.0 takes a lot of time. Phil replied: if you install Sonar 8.5 from scratch then, it will still take you quite a long time as you may want to install all of the DVD's such as Dimension Pro, beatscape etc. Bryan wrote: For those of you that haven't purchased the Sonar 8.5 upgrade yet, pay the little bit extra to get DVDs containing the full 8.5 installer. Phil replied: on the other hand, you could save some cash and just go for the download, install it then, uninstall Sonar 8.31 and you would hend up with the same result. Regards, Phil Muir Accessibility Training Telephone: US (615) 713-2021 UK+44-1747-821-794 Mobile: UK +44-7968-136-246 E-mail: info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> URL: www.accessibilitytraining.co.uk/ <http://www.accessibilitytraining.co.uk/>