[ddots-l] Re: live performance recording
- From: Stacy Blackwell <stacy.blackwell@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:44:47 -0500
Hi. I'd like to add that it would be best to find a recorder that will record
many tracks simultaneously. If no external effects are using the auxiliary
sends on the mixer, then you can use all of these to individualize your
signals. In other words, you could send the vocal out through AUX 1, the drums
out of AUX 2, bass out of AUX 3, and so on. Then later you can mix the
individual sounds. If you must send all music, say through AUX 2, then you
will need to monitor the volumes of the instruments on that input channel
(headphones) on the recorder. If not, then you might wind up with the bass
overpowering everything on that one channel. I use to do this with the
Yamaha MD8 that was a fantastic little machine in its day, but I had to use
analog outs to burn a CD. I still ahve this Yamaha MD8 with 13 Data Disks if a
low vision person is interested in purchasing. Later!
From: omarbinno@xxxxxxxxx
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: live performance recording
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:47:55 -0400
Thanks a bunch Steve, I'll check up on the mixer's specs, and if everything is
well, than I should be able to work with it. Thanks again.
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Wicketts
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 6:26 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: live performance recording
Hi Omar,
What specifications does your live mixer have?
If by chance your live mixer doesn't have bus channels, you can simply, use the
auxiliary knobs on your mixer.
For example:
A: think of auxiliary 1 as a microphone send level so, only have auxiliary 1
turned up on your microphone channel,
B: make sure that the master send for Auxiliary 1 is also turn up to around the
12 O'clock position to start with.
C: take a cable from auxiliary 1 send and input it into track one on your
recording system.
This will give you a dry vocal recording on track 1 of your recording system.
d: simply get the microphone recording level by adjusting the input on the
recording system and the auxiliary 1 knob on your microphone channel
Note, this won't effect the front of house mix.
Now recording the Instruments.
Before I explain the next part you need to find out whether your mixer has a
stereo auxiliary send as that's the one you will use for all the Instruments.
In this example I'm using auxiliary 2.
A: first check that all channels that have an instrument connected to it has
auxiliary 1 knob turned to off position, insuring no microphone leakage on to
the instruments recording.
B: Master send for auxiliary 2 needs to be around the 12 O'clock position.
C: Take a left and right cable from auxiliary 2 send and input into tracks 3-4
on your recording system.
D: Make sure you have an input level on you recording system.
finally, on all channels that have an instrument connected, simply adjust the
level of each instrument by using the auxiliary 2 knob on each instrument
channel as if it was a level control.
Most mixers these days have 3 separate auxiliary sends or a least two auxiliary
sends plus internal effects.
Hope this has been of some help.
Steve W
----- Original Message -----
From: Omar Binno
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 11:52 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: live performance recording
Wow. Thanks Steve. I'm wondering if it's possible to somehow route this
recorder through the mixer where the vocals would be recorded onto a separate
track from the music?
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Wicketts
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 5:17 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: live performance recording
Hi Omar,
I have an old Fostex 8 track Hard Drive Studio and it's very easy to use due
to the fact, all of the necessary controls are physical switches and knobs.
As you know, most recorders these days are screen based and not accessible,
plus, they seem to be designing more multitrack recorders with studio
bouncing in mind with only 2 inputs to record too.
I had a look on the net, and may have found a system that may just possibly
be accessible for live situations.
I must stress, I haven't physically seen one of these systems.
I've placed details below.
Around $330 is the Fostex MR8HD 8-Track Digital Recorder.
The Fostex MR8HD 8-Track Digital Recorder records to an internal 40GB drive
for more than 15 hours of 8 track digital recording at CD quality
(16-bit/44.1kHz).
The simple and intuitive operation inherited from the Fostex MR-8 recorder
is enhanced by features like 4-track simultaneous recording, push-dial
button
for easy menu operation, full-track bouncing to a new song, and a USB Host
function for external CD burning. The Fostex digital recorder has a USB port
for stereo WAV file-transfer between the unit and a PC. Built-in digital
effects including reverb and delay, and guitar amp and microphone
simulations.
Dedicated analog guitar distortion knob, S/PDIF digital out for digital
mastering, and twin headphone outs give you added control and versatility.
Fostex MR-8HD 8-Track Digital Recorder with 40GB Hard Drive Features:
List of 11 items
Internal, 40GB, 3.5" hard drive provides more than 15 hours of 8-track
recording at 16-bit/44.1kHz
Intuitive, simple control environment
128 x 64-dot LCD
Full-track (8-track) bouncing to a new song
Push-dial button for easy menu operation
USB port for stereo WAV file-transfer between unit and PC
Built-in digital effects including reverb, delay, and guitar amp and mic
simulations
Dedicated analog guitar distortion knob
USB Host function for external CD burning
S/PDIF digital out for digital mastering
Twin headphone outs
Steve W
----- Original Message -----
From: "Omar Binno" <omarbinno@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 3:11 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: live performance recording
> Is there a way to do this without using a laptop or sonar? Are there
> any devices that will let me do this without a laptop?
>
> On 10/10/09, Steve Wicketts <steve.wicketts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Hi Omar,
>>
>> This may not be of any help what so ever. I can explain how to do it old
>> School style.
>> I do apologise if I'm stating the obvious.
>>
>> You will need a mixer with at least 3 sets of stereo bus channels, bus
>> channel 3 being your stereo master bus channel.
>>
>> A: assign the microphone signal and all instrument signals to stereo bus
>> channel 3 plus all the necessary effects for your front of house mix.
>>
>> B: Assign all instruments except vocal microphone to stereo bus channel
>> 2,
>> these may be wet or dry depending on how you wish to record.
>>
>> c: assign vocal Microphone to stereo bus channel 1, again, this may be
>> wet
>> or dry.
>>
>> Now take the cables from Stereo busses 1 and 2, connect them to Channels
>> 1-2-3-4 on the recording system: if you are recording to Sonar, you will
>> need a sound card or mixer with at least four mono inputs.
>>
>> Not yet used to thinking virtual and there's possibly now better ways of
>> recording live performances.
>>
>> Hope this has been of some help.
>>
>> Steve W
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Omar Binno
>> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 9:07 PM
>> Subject: [ddots-l] live performance recording
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> How would my setup need to run during a live gig if I want to record
>> the
>> vocals from live performances separate from the music?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>> Omar Binno
>>
>> Website: www.omarbinno.com
>> AIM: LOD1116
>> Skype: obinno1
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