[ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
- From: "Phil Muir" <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:21:11 +0100
mastering. You really can check what's happening with the VU metres in
alternative packages. Bryan, I know you work for DD but, check it out and
you will see what people are talking about.
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Bryan Smart
Sent: 22 October 2009 01:07
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
Though, if you're recording that instrument in stereo, and one of the
channels clips, you'll need to lower the volume on both channels by the same
amount to preserve the stereo image, right? If you'll be lowering them both
by the same amount, it doesn't seem to matter which one clipped. If either
of them clip, then they both need to be reduced by the same amount.
If you're metering a stereo submix, and the submix clips, you have the
individual track meters to rely upon.
Same thing for the master bus.
Stereo meters might be interesting tools, but I can't imagine any common
scenarios where they're uniquely suited.
Bryan
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of luis elorza
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:28 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
i agree entirely Brian, but there is a very common situation where you have
2 mikes to record a single instrument and if you want to record it to a
single track then you should be able to read both input channels. as every
mike has a different output level.
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From: Bryan Smart <mailto:bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:14 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
Maybe I misunderstood what he wants, or maybe you misunderstood. Anyway...
If you release the lock and hold, then you have a mostly instantaneous
report of the current signal strength. You are right that this isn't the
traditional definition of a VU meter, but you are wrong that a VU meter
measures "loudness".
The difference between the instantaneous report and a traditional VU meter
is that a VU meter is designed with a lag to eliminate abrupt changes.
Roughly speaking, a VU meter will trend toward the average input over the
last 300Ms or so. Sonar's meters don't respond in this way by default, but
you can easily make them respond with any curves that you'd like by using
the Audio Meter options dialog in the options menu.
As to "loudness", the concept of loudness is very vague when we're talking
about a recording, since we could be listening to that recording on tiny
headphones or a huge PA. The only factors that matter in gauging the level
of a recording is its relative strength when compared to another signal of
fixed strength, and the dynamic range of the material (difference between
the most quiet and most loud parts of the recording). In digital audio, the
maximum signal strength is 0DB, so the peak of your recording matters, and
you'd use a peak meter for that. However, more important is the dynamic
range of the recording. A narrow dynamic range makes the recording seem
louder, and you'd measure that with an RMS meter. You can switch between
these meter modes in the meter's context menu.
CakeTalking is not able to report separate meters for the left and right
channel of a stereo track. Instead, you hear a single meter that represents
the summed signal. In most situations, that is what most people care about,
since, if you're establishing level for a stereo signal, you rarely, if
ever, wish to distort the stereo image by independently adjusting gain on
the individual channels.
Bryan
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Studio Montebello
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:17 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
Unlocking the peak meter hold doesn't make a peak meter a VU meter!
A peak meter is what it says it measures the peak signal whereas a VU meter
measures the loudness, two different things.
Jean
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----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Smart <mailto:bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:34 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
But it can. If you open the meter context menu and deselect hold and lock
peeks, then you'll have a continuously fluctuating, and mostly useless, vu
meter.
Not sure why people want a non-peek meter when it isn't possible for any
screen reader to report every value that appears without driving you crazy
with non-stop speech, but this method will let you have the experience of
trying.
Bryan
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Phil Muir
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 2:39 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
No it doesn't.
Regards, Phil Muir
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-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Christopher Bartlett
Sent: 21 October 2009 18:37
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] VU meters in DD
Previous iterations of Dancing Dots would report peak meters but not the
running VU meters. Since Jsonar can do this, does Cake Talking do it now?
Chris Bartlett
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