[ddots-l] Re: Oh Boy! What Have I Done Now?

  • From: "Phil Muir" <ddots@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 00:33:58 +0100

You can check the level coming in on the input gain in Sonar by reading the 
metres in Sonar.  That's how you check the level on the gain.  You can go as 
high as minus 0.1DB.  If you get a reading of 0 or above then, your into 
digital clipping.

Regards, Phil Muir    
 
P J Muir Productions,
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bobby Lusk 
  To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 12:12 AM
  Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Oh Boy! What Have I Done Now?


  Phil, I'm currently reading your document FW1884 For Dummies.  Oh yea.  I 
feel like a dummy.  Ha ha!  Anyway, I'm curious about something; how do you 
know what level the input gain is since there are no marks or no way to tell by 
feeling the nob how high or low the level is.  If you turn the input gain down 
how do you know if you've turned it down too low.  Thanks.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Phil Muir 
    To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:41 PM
    Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Oh Boy! What Have I Done Now?


    Aah, so it's a hardware issue.  Meaning that it's possible to run the 
FW-1884 outside of Sonar as a stand-alone mixer.  that would explain why the 
issue is not just occurring inside Sonar.

    Regards, Phil Muir
     
    P J Muir Productions,
    Music And Audio Production
    Telephone: US (615) 713-2021  
    UK+44-1747-821-794
    Mobile: UK +44-7968-136-246
    E-mail:
    info@xxxxxxxxxxxx
    URL:
    www.philmuir.com/ 
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Bobby Lusk 
      To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
      Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 11:32 PM
      Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Oh Boy! What Have I Done Now?


      Yes to both questions (though it's been a while since I read that 
document.  Guess I'd better read it again.  This is why I don't like e-mailing 
to this list much because it seems like I get more questions than answers.  I 
mean I've been trying all day long to figure out why I can't get my project to 
play as well as the cause of the feedback, and everybody seems to be stuck on 
the feedback issue.  I'm not denying how important that is; it's important, but 
so is the other problem.  And as I mentioned earlier both problems occured at 
the same time.  Besides, is it normal for the microphone to be on when you 
first load sonar (especially when no tracks are armed?)  Also, I've noticed 
that even when I'm not in Sonar if the speakers are on, the feedback is there.  
Whatever I did, I sure did  a good job of it unfortunately.  I just wish there 
was an easy solution for fixing both problems.
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Phil Muir 
        To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
        Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:08 PM
        Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Oh Boy! What Have I Done Now?


        Have you tried turning the gain down for the channel on the FW-1884.  
Also, have you read the excellent document which is packed full of information 
on how to use the FW-1884 on my website that Sean Cummins and Herman Ferman 
helpped me put together?

        Here's the URL for it:

        http://www.philmuir.com/fw1884.html

        Regards, Phil Muir
         
        P J Muir Productions,
        Music And Audio Production
        Telephone: US (615) 713-2021  
        UK+44-1747-821-794
        Mobile: UK +44-7968-136-246
        E-mail:
        info@xxxxxxxxxxxx
        URL:
        www.philmuir.com/ 
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Bobby Lusk 
          To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
          Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:57 PM
          Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Oh Boy! What Have I Done Now?


          Okay.  I turned the mic another direction, got back into Sonar, 
turned the speakers on, and guess what!  Still getting the feedback, and I'm 
still looking for a solution to not being able to play my rpojects.  Besides 
that, the feedback problem didn't occur until the other problem occured so I'm 
thinking the two problems are one.  Mike mentioned in an earlier e-mail that 
this might be a Sonar bug.  Well, I think he's right cause this is sure bugging 
me.  ha ha!  Trying to keep a positive attitude about this.
                              God bless you.
                              Bobby Lusk.
            ----- Original Message ----- 
            From: Dave Carlson 
            To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
            Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 3:22 PM
            Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Oh Boy! What Have I Done Now?


            Yes. point your microphone the other direction, or disconnect it. 
If you don't understand that feedback is caused by the output going direct back 
into the input and then coming out of the output and going back in the input 
and then out the output and then back in the input and then out the out and in 
the in and out and in and out and in... etc. etc. etc. -- then you're violating 
a very basic concept of audio. You're generating feedback.

            Dave

              ----- Original Message ----- 
              From: Bobby Lusk 
              To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
              Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 1:11 PM
              Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Oh Boy! What Have I Done Now?


              Okay!  I get that, but I still don't have an answer for why all 
of a sudden I can't get anything to play, and there's feedback when I turn on 
the spekars.  Up until now, I haven't had that problem.  Until the last few 
days I've been able to load projects, play, and record without the feedback.  
Now, this is a new thing that has happened, and it's really got me confused.  
Also, should I try to turn the mic another direction?  Would that solve the 
feedback problem?  Like I said, this is a new problem that has just occured 
very recently.  
                                  God bless you, Dave.
                ----- Original Message ----- 
                From: Dave Carlson 
                To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
                Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 2:23 PM
                Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Oh Boy! What Have I Done Now?


                That's your problem. It's called feedback.

                Dave

                  ----- Original Message ----- 
                  From: Bobby Lusk 
                  To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
                  Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 11:56 AM
                  Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Oh Boy! What Have I Done Now?


                  I wish I had read all my e-mails before replying to the last 
one; that way I could have answered both questions at once, but yes; the 
microphone is facing the speaker.
                    ----- Original Message ----- 
                    From: Dave Carlson 
                    To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
                    Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 11:39 AM
                    Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Oh Boy! What Have I Done Now?


                    Is it facing the speaker?
                      ----- Original Message ----- 
                      From: Bobby Lusk 
                      To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
                      Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:36 AM
                      Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Oh Boy! What Have I Done Now?


                      The mic is right behind my keyboard and pretty close to 
my left speaker.
                        ----- Original Message ----- 
                        From: Mike Christer 
                        To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
                        Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 11:16 AM
                        Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Oh Boy! What Have I Done Now?


                        You said that the mike is on, right?  

                        Is it close to one of your monitors?
                        Is there any chance that this is just a plain old 
feebback loop?  
                          ----- Original Message ----- 
                          From: Bobby Lusk 
                          To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
                          Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:02 PM
                          Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Oh Boy! What Have I Done Now?


                          Tried double L, triple a, and even control tripple a, 
but to no avail; the same darned thing, and yes; the feedback is constant.  
Don't know what the heck is going on, but it's really bugging me.  I can't play 
(and certainly can't record,) and it's frustrating.  Thanks for your sugestions 
anyway.  Wish they would have worked.
                                              God bless you, Mike.
                                              Bobby Lusk.
                            ----- Original Message ----- 
                            From: Mike Christer 
                            To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
                            Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:37 AM
                            Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Oh Boy! What Have I Done Now?


                            Is the sound you're hearing constant?  

                            If it is, you might have an old Sonar bug rearing 
its head!  

                            This is looping being turned on by default...  

                            Just hit L twice quickly.  

                            If it ain't that, then I can't be sure?  
                            Try hitting A 3 times quickly, this'll disarm all 
the trax...  



                              ----- Original Message ----- 
                              From: Bobby Lusk 
                              To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
                              Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:24 PM
                              Subject: [ddots-l] Oh Boy! What Have I Done Now?


                              Hi, all.
                                   I have a problem that I'm not sure if I 
caused it or not; When I load a project in Sonar and try to get it to play, it 
won't.  Instead, what I get is feedback from my speakers, and the microphone is 
turned on, which is weird because when I first load the project I don't have 
any tracks armed.  Also, when I try to read the status bar, I get nothing.  I 
don't know what's going on, but if anyone can help me, I would greatly 
appreciate it.  Thanks in advance, and God bless you.
                                                  Bobby Lusk.

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