Hi, I'm going round in circles here. I need to embed sound in to a webpage. The sounds are only about twenty seconds long but the only formats FrontPage gives me to work with are: wav, aiff, midi, au, and real audio ra. So I chose real audio because its much smaller. The trouble is, that sonar only supports rm as does sound forge. I can't find a free converter anywhere to convert from wave to ra. Real player doesn't even work when I hit the convert button, and I couldn't understand how real producer was meant to work. So basically, there doesn't' seem to be a free way to make real audio files, which doesn't say much for real and their business sense. Does anyone know of anything? At the moment I'm using wav, but its taking up far too much space, and real would allow me to compress to a tenth or 20th of the file, even more if I wanted. O, there is one way to do it I think, and that's to put it on to audio cd first then save the tracks, but this seems such a pathetic way of converting that I'm avoiding it till desperation sets in. Fancy making a program that allows you to save an audio CD to ra but not convert an existing track on my computer. It's a piece of plastic for god's sake. Just a round piece of plastic. What's the difference?! David Eagle ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq]** or send a message, to ** ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq