I strongly second George's comments below. We want to support and inform each other in the use of products from Danncing Dots and related technology. Screen readers qualify as related technology for sure. But let's talk about technical difficulties not interpersonal difficulties or favorites. Loyalty is admirable but, remember, there's a good reason why shops offer 24 flavors of ice-cream. Perhaps we should institute the 24-hour rule on this thread. Write your response, save it in your Drafts folder, read in the morning. It may not seem as urgent to post after a few hours have elapsed! To put it another way, we're much more interested in light than heat about any topic that's appropriate for our list. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: George Bell To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 12:58 PM Subject: [ddots-l] JAWS Crashing - Moderator Intervention. Hi all, I think we have to get this thread into perspective, and try to draw it to a close. First and foremost, this list is intended to support products sold and supported by Dancing Dots - hence the ddots-l list name. If you have a specific screen reader issue that relates to those products, we will all do our best to try and resolve it. If that means involving the screen reader vendors, then steps will be taken to try and resolve the issues. However this is not a software bashing arena. As someone who supports or (at least attempts to support) both Dancing Dots products, JAWS and many other products, I find from experience that well over half the problems we get in a week are actually system related. Drivers are old, the system is clogged up with temporary files, insufficient memory, inadequately sized Page file, and the list goes on. There are thankfully specialist lists which deal with the more system-wide issues of specific screen access products. JAWS-UK is just one example of such a list. So basically, can I please ask that a little discretion is used at least in trying to establish if your crash is not only JAWS related, but linked to a music related product supported here? Many thanks, George Bell Co-Moderator.