Guys:The disk i/o used to be set at 64 by default. This was determined to be too low so it was raised to 128. It must be a power of 2 like that. You can raise it even more if you like, the only adverse effect to that will be a delay when you press play or record because the buffers will load first. 128 really should be fine. I've played projects with 30 or more audio tracks with no problems. Most dropout problems are really not caused by disk i/o these days.
Gord----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Halton" <philhalt@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 11:09 PM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: I/O buffer size and latency
So its a guessing game between disk I/O buffer size and soundcard driver buffer sizes as to which might cause problems .Do you think a intel core 2 duo processor with a 7200 rpm HD and 2gb ram would benefit from a I/O buffer of 64KB rather than 128?----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin L. Gibbs" <kevjazz@xxxxxxx>To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 10:21 PM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: I/O buffer size and latencyThe lower the buffer number, the less the latancy. However, if yourcomputer can't cut it, the more dropouts you'll have. If you have a buffer size of, say, 1024, it will be a week between the time you press a key andthe time the note sounds. Okay? Kevin -----Original Message-----From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] OnBehalf Of Phil Halton Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 5:13 PM To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ddots-l] Re: I/O buffer size and latency Thanks Luis,the fa66 has a faceplate monitor mix knob where I can hear exclusively the output from either the computer, or the inputs, or a mix of both. I kind oflike using sonar's input echo because I can wet the signal with reverb or whatever, and hear it exclusively with only a barely noticeable delay byeliminating the dry signal from the mix. But then, I guess I'm just tryingto push the limits of this machine and find out what it can do instead ofaccepting inherant limitations of computer digital audio. I don't know if what I'm after (zero latency input echo monitoring ), is even possible withthe current state of computers and software sequencers. So, I might be chasing after rainbows here--so to speak.what you say about I/o buffer size of 64 interests me. Can you tell me whyit might be better than 128? I like to understand these things from the bottom up if possible--then I can figure things out for myself once I getthe concept. I know this buffer setting is for maximizing disk throughput, but the numbers don't have any rhyme or reason behind them. If you know thewhy of it, please let me know. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Elorza" <luiselorza@xxxxxxxxx> To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 7:37 PM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: I/O buffer size and latencyi recommend you use 64 because it will give you enough power to record a huge project, and i also recommend instead of using input monitor in yoursonar tracks, try using an input monitor in your soundcard, most have thisfunction that is a direct dry signal routed from your inputs to your outputs. and this way you can have whatever latency setting in sonar.any ways you can notice that even at minimum latency your monitoring willsound as a doubler and to me it's very anoying. this way you only need low latency when playing soft synths. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Halton" <philhalt@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: "ddots-l" <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 2:06 PM Subject: [ddots-l] I/O buffer size and latencymy sonar6 producer installation on an ADK laptop is set to a I/O buffer size of 128(advanced page of audio options). The sonar default is (according to the help files) 64. I'm using the internal system drive for audio data(7200 rpm drive). I'm wondering what the best setting for the I/O buffer size would be to maximize latency and minimize dropouts. How does this variable affect disk throughput, and with this kind of system drive, what might be a better setting than 128KB? Currently, I can record at 24 bits with minimally perceptable latency with input echo on. Naturally, I'm trying for zero latency while recording audio, but I start getting dropouts when I start cutting thelatency slider any further than 50% for the Edirol FA66(ASIO). Wouldn'trecording at 16 bits improve latency(50%less data throughput involved with 16bits from 24bits). I like the headroom and quality that comes from 24bits, but I want that zero latency for obvious reasons. 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