Actually, it's easier, once you have the artsey bit-mapped screens, to setup sensitized zones for controllers and object selection, and, it makes it easier for the user's and cuts down on development costs, when all you're having to diddle with between versions, is perhaps adding objects, maybe redrawing a few screens, and only diddling with the back-end code. It's the same in "blackbox" "imbedded" systems. Nick On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 10:57:23 +0100, Tim Burgess wrote: Gord, Definitely preaching to the converted on that one - venting is good for the soul sometimes. Best wishes. Tim Burgess Raised Bar Ltd Phone: +44 (0)1827 719822 Don't forget to vote for improved access to music and music technology at http://www.raisedbar.net/petition.htm -----Original Message----- From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gordon Kent Sent: 29 September 2007 00:22 To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ddots-l] Re: How accessible is the Garritan Personal Orchestra? Hey, you guys all need to read my posts a little more closely. You can certainly share sonar track templates with various instrumental setups, which I have several of. And as I mentioned before, everything about gpo is bit mapped. We can't see a darn thing, so even the magical hsc isn't going to bail us out of this one. I just don't get why programmers feel compeled to create interfaces like this. Does it really look that much better than normal text does? Aren't we using the software to create music? We're not playing a video game here. Just a little venting. Gord ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew McLaren" <mattymc2@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 7:43 AM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: How accessible is the Garritan Personal Orchestra? Hey. Reading this post got me thinking, is ther anyway to share precets. Like its not an ultimate solution but it gives a little bit of functionality as opposed to none at all. Just a thought cheers -----Original Message----- From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Studio Montebello Sent: Friday, 28 September 2007 8:11 PM To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ddots-l] Re: How accessible is the Garritan Personal Orchestra? And it's the same with East West Symphony Orchestra. The only way I've been able to use this plug was to make a number of presets with the help of sighted assistance. I'm afraid HSC is no use at all in this situation! Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Kent" <dbmusic@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 12:29 AM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: How accessible is the Garritan Personal Orchestra? > It wouldn't even work with HSC. Even the drop down menus are completely bit > mapped and invisible to jaws. You would have no way of knowing what you are > loading and where it is going. > Gord > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phil Muir" <ddots@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 2:35 AM > Subject: [ddots-l] Re: How accessible is the Garritan Personal Orchestra? > > >> Hmm, have you tried sorting out access to this with HSC? >> >> Regards, Phil Muir >> P J Muir Productions >> Music And Audio Production >> URL: >> www.philmuir.com/ >> Band website: >> www.steelstringmusic.co.uk/ >> Band my Space Site: >> www.myspace.com/steelstringmusic >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Matt Brown" <matthew_brown@xxxxxxx> >> To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 6:04 AM >> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: How accessible is the Garritan Personal Orchestra? >> >> >> GPO uses the NI Kontakt interface and is therefore not accessible. I am >> working with experts on a solution involving NI Kore, but nothing yet. >> This >> solution will also apply to EWQL Symphonic Orchestra Silver, and Garriton >> Jazz and Big Band ... if it works! >> >> Matt >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Phil Muir" <ddots@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:29 PM >> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: How accessible is the Garritan Personal Orchestra? >> >> >>> Not sure. I doubt that the Personal Orchestra is accessible. >>> >>> Regards, Phil Muir >>> P J Muir Productions >>> Music And Audio Production >>> URL: >>> www.philmuir.com/ >>> Band website: >>> www.steelstringmusic.co.uk/ >>> Band my Space Site: >>> www.myspace.com/steelstringmusic >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ramy Moustafa" <flutelover@xxxxxxxxx> >>> To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 3:24 PM >>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: How accessible is the Garritan Personal Orchestra? >>> >>> >>> so well this garritan well be accessible with out the the dimension pro? >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Phil Muir" <ddots@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 4:16 PM >>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: How accessible is the Garritan Personal Orchestra? >>> >>> >>>> garritan Personal orchestra is a separate softsynthe. A version of that >>>> is called garritan pocket orchestra and ships as part of Dimension Pro. >>>> Also, you get a lite version of it in Dimension LE which, ships with >>>> Sonar 7. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, Phil Muir >>>> P J Muir Productions >>>> Music And Audio Production >>>> URL: >>>> www.philmuir.com/ >>>> Band website: >>>> www.steelstringmusic.co.uk/ >>>> Band my Space Site: >>>> www.myspace.com/steelstringmusic >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Ramy Moustafa" <flutelover@xxxxxxxxx> >>>> To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:54 PM >>>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: How accessible is the Garritan Personal >>>> Orchestra? >>>> >>>> >>>> , can i ask: >>>> what is the difference, between, dimension pro and garritan orchestra? >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Phil Muir" <ddots@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>> To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:44 PM >>>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: How accessible is the Garritan Personal >>>> Orchestra? >>>> >>>> >>>>> If your referring to the version that ships as part of Dimension Pro >>>>> then, it's totally accessible for us. You can use it with CT for Sonar >>>>> 6. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, Phil Muir >>>>> P J Muir Productions >>>>> Music And Audio Production >>>>> URL: >>>>> www.philmuir.com/ >>>>> Band website: >>>>> www.steelstringmusic.co.uk/ >>>>> Band my Space Site: >>>>> www.myspace.com/steelstringmusic >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Laurie Simpson" <simp749@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>> To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 3:37 AM >>>>> Subject: [ddots-l] How accessible is the Garritan Personal Orchestra? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> I've asked about realistic orchestral sounds here before. It seems the >>>>> best >>>>> I can find, at the moment, are the Garritan Personal Orchestra. How >>>>> accessible is this for us? I remember Gordon said I'd have to get >>>>> sighted >>>>> help. How much sighted help would I need and how difficult would it be >>>>> for >>>>> a sighted person? In other words, would I need someone fairly computer >>>>> litterate? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks! 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