[ddots-l] Re: Ground Lift
- From: "John Fioravanti" <fioresq1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 14:01:24 -0400
Dave: enjoyed that a lot! John
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Carlson
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 1:40 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Ground Lift
Annabel,
Red the following that I got from somewhere. It may help.
Dave
quote--The War on Hum
How to Maintain a Hum Free Audio System
By Tweak
The "war on hum"
is a major battle every home studio has to wage. I have been battling it
since
I started recording, sometimes winning, sometimes losing. Currently, I am
winning
the war. The more gear you have, the more likely you are to encounter hum.
Like
it or not, it's a war you have to fight. Fortunately, observing
a few principles can fix many situations.
This is deliberately a non technical article. You probably don't want a
lecture
on the nature of ground loops and electrical systems. So I won't get too
deep into
it, but I will link you to some excellent sources of material at the end.
Basically, the hum you hear is typically a bass tone at 60Hz (or 50Hz, if you
are
across the pond), along with its harmonics at higher frequencies, which may
sound
like a buzz. Because this hum and buzz creates noise throughout the audio
spectrum,
its almost impossible to filter it out without totally wrecking the audio
signal.
Causes
can be many: ground loops, often caused by different electrical pathways to
the
house ground, TV cable lines, bad or shorted audio cables, old equipment with
damaged
power supplies, equipment with poor or broken internal grounds, and cables
that travel
near magnetic fields. There are plenty of other sources of noise
too--electric motors,
radio stations, even your neighbor using power tools. In some cases, the
electricity
supplied by the power company may be erratic.
1. Make sure your audio gear and all devices that connect to audio gear are
on the
same house circuit
, observing the specified limits of the circuit. That is your audio
interface, monitors,
mixer, and gear connected to the mixer. Trouble shoot your house circuit
breaker
so you know which switches go to which outlets in your house and most
importantly,
your studio. You want all the gear to use
the same path to ground.
Before you touch your home's electrical equipment,
Beware!
Messing with electricity can be dangerous, even fatal. If you don't know
what you
are doing, don't do it.
While this is not a magic formula to cure all ground loops, it can get rid of
many
preventable ones.
2. Use balanced gear with balanced TRS and XLR cables
. If you have to use unbalanced gear, keep the cables short, under 10 feet if
possible.
Long
RCA and TS (two wire) cables are highly susceptible to picking up hum. For
those
of you using
mixers
, this is really important. One poorly grounded device or poorly situated
unbalanced
cable can infect the whole mixer with hum. Those with a lot of vintage
synths (which
are nearly always unbalanced) will certainly run into this problem. I've had
real
good luck with
Behringer direct boxes
plugged into and powered by the board's mic preamps. You can input TS line
level
and output a hefty XLR balanced signal. Touch it up with the gain and you
have a
clean sounding vintage synth. You can't just use TRS cables and expect your
unbalanced
gear to be balanced. It does not work that way. You can use a
line level shifter
to do the job though.
3. Keep audio cables away from wall warts
, those power supply adapters that so many pieces of studio gear use. A cable
resting
on a wall-wart on the floor can pick up hum. Also
don't let the AC cables run parallel
to audio cables. If they cross, do it at 90 degree angles. This happens
because
of magnetic fields that form around the the power cables and adapter.
Electrons
don't always stay inside the cable jacket. Don't look now, but are they
jumping
all over the place in that mess under your desk? Back in my 8 bus mixer
days, whenever
the hum started to rear its ugly head I would go under the desk and fix the
cable
paths. Result: Less Hum. It can help significantly.
If you do all the above and you still have hum, it could be that a particular
unit
is causing the problem. This happens a lot with
old gear
, whose power supplies may be weakened from years of use. Troubleshoot by
disconnecting
everything and plugging in items one by one until the culprit reveals itself.
Note
that for some gear, ground loops can persist even when equipment is not
turned on.
This is important to know when troubleshooting. You may have to disconnect
the power
cable from the wall as well as removing audio cables to ensure that a piece
is not
causing trouble. That piece may need separate treatment if you need to
continue
using it. I've had good luck with the
Ebtech hum eliminator
and with direct boxes that have ground lifts.
Hard Questions and Answers
Q) When I pan my synth to the left, its clean. When I pan to the right I get
HUM.
What is wrong with my mixer?
A) Nearly always that is a cable problem. Swap them to see if the problem is
reversed.
If it is that confirms it is the cable or the gear connected to the mixer,
not the
mixer. You then might try connecting the gear with different cables. If the
problem
continues, it is likely that the problem is in the gear itself.
Q) Here's a really strange problem. When I raise the fader on my mixer, hum
disappears!
When I lower it, it comes back. WT heck is going on?
A) That's a tough one. You have to go into advanced troubleshooting mode.
It's
quite possible that the problem is on a different channel than the one you
are boosting.
Start disconnecting audio cables on other channels. When the problem stops,
you
have found the villain. Now peek under the desk to see if any cables are
touching
wall warts. Also check for an impedance mismatch where a +4 output is going
into
a -10 input.
Q) I hear "digital hash" in my audio. It's not hum, but almost sounds like
shortwave
radio interference.
A) Here's a cool experiment to make you more aware of magnetic fields.
Connect a
TS cable to the input of your mixer or audio interface. Turn up the volume.
Don't
plug in the other end, but use it as a sensor and point it towards each piece
of
gear. As you get closer to the gear, within 1 inch, you will hear the
digital clock
signals bleed into your audio, especially when you get near the LCD. That's
digital
clock noise. Now look for a cable that strayed too close to one of these
electronic
fields. Many times, if the gear is balanced, using balanced cables will
knock this
right out.
Q) I put a hum eliminator on the outputs of my mixer but the hum is
unchanged! I
thought these items always worked!
A) They do work if you know their limitations. First you have to find the
device
causing the ground loop and put the hum eliminator on that device. You can't
use
it "downstream" as hum has already become part of the audio signal earlier in
the
chain. You must apply the hum eliminator to the source of the problem,
before the
ground loop becomes a hum problem.
Q) When I connect the audio outs from my TV cable box to my audio interface
it hums
so bad I can barely hear the program.
A) Common problem. The TV cable itself may use a different ground path than
your
studio equipment, especially if you have a lot of TVs in the house. For me,
a Hum
Eliminator completely fixes the problem.
Q) What types of rigs are best for avoiding issues with hum?
A) Avoid cheap unbalanced mixers. Those with large mixers and a lot of gear
know
that ground loop hygiene is crucial to keeping the board hum free. Those
folks have
to be especially vigilant to win the war. Going mixerless can help. Plugging
direct
into an audio interface gets rid of a lot of cables, and as we have seen,
cables
can cause problems. Don't plug in gear that you know is problematic.
Instead, connect
it only when you want to record it, and run through helper devices like noise
gates
and the ones mentioned earlier in the article. Audio interfaces like the
Tascam
FW1884 and Project Mix can help because they incorporate what would be
several separate
pieces into one box with one ground. I'd also avoid using cheap laptops for
audio.
We have had several problems documented at studio-central where ground loops
could
not be corrected. Likewise, adapting an audio chain to an unbalanced 1/8"
stereo
line input is just begging for trouble.
Q) Does one ever actually win the war? Can you truly ever totally eliminate
ground
loop hum in a home studio?
A) Technically, the answer is a matter of degree. The ground differential
potential
that creates ground loops is always present, but you can succeed in getting
rid
of its artifact, the hum. The enemy is still there, waiting for you to let
your
guard down. The way homes send current to ground will always have the
potential
for ground loops, but with good gear and following a few simple practices,
you won't
hear it. When you turn up your monitors all the way (without playing
anything but
with all your gear connected) and all you hear is sweet white hiss, you know
you
are, for now, winning the war.
You can leave feedback and discuss this topic here:
http://studio-central.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=286223#286223
Links
Ground loop problems and how to get rid of them
Ground Loops, or 'Let Me Hum A Few Bars' [SMR]
Ground loop (electricity) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Everything you were Afraid to Ask about Cables
Threads
FAQ- Difference Between Balanced and Unbalanced
How to- Unbalanced => balanced wiring
Laptop Hummmmmmmmmm
Grounding & RFI Question
Why does my Guitar amp hum
Review of the EbTech Hum ...
Hum Eliminator, Unbal to Balanced Converter
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MXR M135 Smart Gate Pedal
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Ebtech HUMX Voltage Hum Filter
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Behringer HD400 2-Channel Hum Destroyer
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Ebtech HE2PKG Hum Eliminator (2-Channel)
----- Original Message -----
From: Annabelle Susan Morison
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: 'NFBnet Music Talk Mailing List'
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 09:17
Subject: [ddots-l] Ground Lift
Hi, it's Annabelle.
I tried flipping the switch for the ground lift on my EQ Machine, but it
didn't work. The 60 Cycle hum is still there. What do I do next?
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