[ddots-l] Re: Cakewalk Dimension pro and virtual piano question
- From: "Kevin L. Gibbs" <kevjazz@xxxxxxx>
- To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 02:38:34 -0700
I'll take Ivory. First off, a Bosendorfer 290 doesn't have 88 keys. It
has 97.
Kevin
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Phil Muir
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 2:12 AM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Cakewalk Dimension pro and virtual piano question
Well, Bardstown Audio do a very nice Bosendorfer Imperial Grand, that
they sampled at 16 and 24 bit. The demos sound amazing! Mind you, it's
not cheap. I think around $199.
The 16 bit version is available in giga3 format though so, would be
accessible for us that is, if you have Gigastudio 3. Not sure if you
can load up the Gigastudio 3 file into VSampler.
They also do a 24 bit Giga3 file. The 24 bit version also uses the
halion and kontakt formats. that will work, as the info on there site
says that you can load those formats into VSampler. The 24 bit version
in all formats, costs $249.99.
You can get it from:
http://www.bardstownaudio.com/
Here's a bit more info:
Bosendorfer Imperial Grand
in 16-bit & 24-bit Giga 3.0 formats
and 24-bit EXS24/HALion/Kontakt/Vsampler 3.5 packaged formats
Bosendorfer Imperial Grand Model 290
Bosendorfer Imperial Grand
16 bit Giga format $199.00
All 24 bit formats, $249.00
(US Currency)
The Bardstown Bosendorfer Imperial Grand Model 290 very accurately
captures the exact sound of a real Bosendorfer Imperial Grand Model 290.
All other sampled
Bosendorfers that are available from other companies do not sound like a
real Bosendorfer Imperial Grand Model 290 and sound very artificial and
processed,
much like that of an electronic keyboard piano rather than a real piano.
The vast majority of professionals who have all sampled pianos still
proclaim
the Bardstown Bosendorfer Imperial Grand Model 290 to be by far the best
sounding sampled piano in the world even though it has been released
over three
years ago, and they hardly ever use any of the other newer sampled
pianos if they use them at all because none of the others sound nearly
as good.
This 9 1/2 foot concert grand piano is Bosendorfer's top of the line.
The extra lower bass strings give superior resonance to this world class
concert grand
piano. There are four velocity layers of pedal up samples, four velocity
layers of pedal down samples, and release note off samples. The release
"note
off" samples very nicely capture the ambient sound of the performance
hall in which this Bosendorfer Imperial was sample recorded. These are
all actual
sample recorded velocity layers and without any filtering in order to
produce additional "fake" velocity layers, such has been done by other
developers
who claim to have eight to sixteen layer sampled pianos.
Many other current sampled pianos claiming to have eight to sixteen
velocity layers have been produced by only sample recording two or three
actual velocity
layers, and then applying low pass filtering onto those samples in order
to produce up to sixteen "fake" velocity layers, and also with only
every second
or third note sample recorded, and with the rest of the notes being
pitch shifted from those notes. Sample editing methods used by these
developers who
"streamline" their work include batch auto cropping of samples, and a
great deal of batch processing for many different processes. These
sampling "shortcut"
methods are much quicker, easier, and with much less work involved in
producing a sampled instrument. The quality of sound of any sampled
acoustic instrument,
which has been produced with these fast streamlined methods of low pass
filtering for producing multiple fake velocities, pitch shifting of
notes, auto
cropping, and batch processing for various tasks, is unnatural and
inferior.
Each and every note of the Bardstown Audio Bosendorfer Imperial was
sample recorded at all four velocity levels and articulations of pedal
up, pedal down,
and release, and with no pitch shifting of any notes. In other words,
each and every note of the eighty-eight keys on this sampled Bosendorfer
Imperial
has been sample recorded nine different ways, for a total of 792
recorded samples. All sampled notes on "all" sampled instruments
produced by Bardstown
Audio have been edited and tweaked by hand, one note at a time, and with
no quick streamlining methods or batch processing whatsoever.
The most advanced state of the art recording techniques and world class
recording equipment were used to sample record this Bosendorfer Imperial
in a world
class performance hall.
This sampled Bosendorfer Imperial is considered by the vast majority of
people to be the best sounding and most playable sampled piano in the
world.
The 16 bit Giga version is 1.5 gigabytes.
The 24 bit native EXS24/HALion/Kontakt package is 2.4 gigabytes.
Regards, Phil Muir
P J Muir Productions
Music and audio production
URL: www.philmuir.com/
----- Original Message -----
From: Cameron <mailto:cameron@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 9:22 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Cakewalk Dimension pro and virtual piano question
Hi. I've seen some discussion on the dimension virtual instrument but
have people been talking about the standard version of the pro version
which has an extra 3 gigs of samples? I have Hypersonic 2 and while
some of the patches are great, I find the pianos and harpsichord quite
disappointing. Are the Cakewalk dimension pro pianos in particular any
better?
Also, regarding virtual instruments that are strictly for piano, what
would the best one be to purchase? And what would be useable in Sonar 4
with jaws and cake talking? This is mostly for solo piano work so I
need something that is very realistic and rich sounding. Any
recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Cameron.
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