That's very clear Bryan! I just hoped it would had been made that clear from the beginning. Reading Bill's promotional post actually gave the impression that the CT 8.5 scripts would work on both version of Sonar . Ferthremore, Bill's post mentionned that the loop construction view would be accessible in both version which is not the case. It's not available with CT 8.3. And that was the main reason I bought the scripts update. So I'm a bit disapointed!!! But, anyway all is well now with the install on my system except what I was talking to you over the phone, i.e. the triple letter function. Jean In fact there was never any any mention of the CT 8.3 install. Visitez mon site / Visit my site at http://www.studiomontebello.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bryan Smart To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:32 PM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: [Bulk] Re: CT 8.5 installation pain! Really? I gave a lot of background because I thought that people would be interested to know why CakeTalking versions and installers work differently this time, but the choice is simple. There are dedicated install programs for CakeTalking 8 (for sonar 8.02), CakeTalking 8.3 (for Sonar 8.31), and CakeTalking 8.5 (for Sonar 8.51). A CT8 license will work on the first, a CT8.5 license will work on either of the other two. Install the wrong version, and you'll get strange results, so just install the right one. That's it. Very simple, but confusing if you were under the belief that a single installer worked for all versions of Sonar 8, or if you knew there were separate installers, but thought that you could install more than one of them at a time in a single copy of Jaws. Bryan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 7:28 PM To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ddots-l] Re: [Bulk] Re: CT 8.5 installation pain! Boy, I'm sure glad I'm still using Sonar 7. I think I'll just wait until Sonar xx comes out before thinking about this. My brain hurts. Dave "Gumby" Carlson ----- Original Message ----- From: Bryan Smart To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 15:10 Subject: [Bulk] [ddots-l] Re: CT 8.5 installation pain! Traditionally, CakeTalking major versions have closely mirrored Sonar versions. CT5 for Sonar 5, CT6 for Sonar 6, etc. People would expect that CT8.5 would work with both Sonar 8.5 and the older Sonar 8.3 since they share the same major version number. Normally, that would be true. Unfortunately, Cakewalk has really made things confusing with Sonar 8.5, and that has confused the CakeTalking versioning scheme, also. Sonar 8.5 should have been called Sonar 9. It doesn't work like a Sonar update (like Sonar 8.31 does for Sonar 8.0). Instead, it installs Sonar 8.5 in to a new folder, adds new icons to the start menu and desktop, and generally acts like it is a new major version of Sonar. It appears similar to if you had both Sonar 7 and Sonar 8 installed on your DAW at once. However, Sonar 8.5 isn't it's own stand-alone product. You have to have Sonar 8 installed and updated, as Sonar 8.5 still needs bits from Sonar 8.3 on your computer in order to function . Besides being annoying for anyone, this creates problems for CakeTalking, because there are now two places where it needs to place files, and there are two versions of Sonar who's appearance and accessibility settings must be tweaked during installation. The way that David has made this work is to create two separate CakeTalking installers. CakeTalking 8.3 loads in to the Sonar 8 installation, and CakeTalking 8.5 loads in to the Sonar 8.5 installation. I hope that the following clears up any questions about what versions of Sonar and CakeTalking match, and who can run each of them. Sonar 8 This is where we've been up until this month. If you only have a CakeTalking 8 license, then this is the best version of Sonar/CakeTalking available to you. You should install Sonar 8.0 and use the free patches from Cakewalk to update to Sonar 8.02. Then, install CT8. It is also possible to install the free Sonar 8.31 update and continue to run with CakeTalking 8, however the access is only partial. If you decide to run this way, then you need to re-install CakeTalking after installing the Sonar 8.31 update in order to fix some essential settings that are cleared by the Sonar 8.31 update. Download CT8 here: http://www.dancingdots.com/ct/8 Sonar 8.3 If you have a CakeTalking 8.5 license, then you can run CakeTalking 8.3 with Sonar 8.31. Pay attention to these version numbers. Said a different way, you aren't able to buy a CakeTalking 8.3 license. 8.3 licenses were never sold. However, your license for CakeTalking 8.5 will activate both CakeTalking 8.3 and CakeTalking 8.5. Older CakeTalking 8 licenses will not activate CakeTalking 8.3. If you wish to use Sonar 8.3 (such as if you have not upgraded Sonar to 8.5), then you can install Sonar 8, update it to Sonar 8.31 with the free update from Cakewalk, and install CakeTalking 8.3. Download CakeTalking 8.3 here: http://www.dancingdots.com/ct/8.3sj Sonar 8.5 If you wish to use Sonar 8.5, then you'll need to install Sonar 8, update it to Sonar 8.31 with the free update from Cakewalk, install the Sonar 8.5 upgrade, install the free Sonar 8.51 update, and then install CakeTalking 8.5. Keep in mind that each of those steps has many sub-steps: such as loading the content DVDs and patches. Download CT8.5 here: http://www.dancingdots.com/ct/8.5sj Be very careful to get the correct version of CakeTalking for the version of Sonar that you're using. If you get the incorrect version, then Sonar will appear to partially work with CakeTalking, but many features will be broken. This is because while you may have some scripts loaded in Jaws, they won't necessarily be the correct scripts, and CakeTalking may have updated the settings of the wrong version of Sonar. I hope that this helps. If anyone is still confused, then please reply to this message, or call tech support at 610-783-6692, option 3. Bryan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Christer Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:01 PM To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ddots-l] Re: CT 8.5 installation pain! Hey Jean! I uninstalled all other CT versions, installed CT 8.3, then CT 8.5, and everythings working fine now! Thanx for the d load link, you're a hero... I can't understand why very little, or nothing, was said about this CT 8.3 version, let alone the fact that if you only install v8.5 it'll screw everything up! l8r Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Studio Montebello To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:51 PM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: CT 8.5 installation pain! Hey Mike! You're not the only one!!! Here's the link to CT 8.3 install. http://www.dancingdots.com/ct/8.3sj/ Hope this helps. And let me know if this fixes all your problems. Jean Visitez mon site / Visit my site at http://www.studiomontebello.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Christer To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 3:21 PM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: CT 8.5 installation pain! Hey Phil! I did enter the installation code etc. but I'm not yet using the Sonar 8.5 update... I didn't know there was a CT 8.3 update? When did that appear? Did it come out around the same time as the Sonar 8.5 release? I don't know how I missed the appearance of that version... Thanx for the lo down, I'll go hunt out the bugger! l8r Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Muir To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 6:36 PM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: CT 8.5 installation pain! Mike, did you put in your new CT 8.5 serial number? Also, is it authorised ok in CT 8.5? Hmm, I wonder if you may need to do an install with the more up to date version of CT for 8.3.1 then, do the CT8.5 install after that. Regards, Phil Muir Accessibility Training Telephone: US (615) 713-2021 UK+44-1747-821-794 Mobile: UK +44-7968-136-246 E-mail: info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx URL: www.accessibilitytraining.co.uk/ -----Original Message----- From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Mike Christer Sent: 08 October 2009 18:10 To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ddots-l] CT 8.5 installation pain! Hey list! I've installed CT 8.5 but,when I open Sonar 8.3, I'm told that I'm using an unauthorized version of Cake Talking and I should go purchase it! I also had to uninstall CT 8, because, after CT 8.5 refused to authorize, CT 8 just didn't work at all! Please can anyone tell me what the hell is going down? Thanx Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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