[ddots-l] Re: Bank/Patch Changes Not Matching Up

  • From: "Wolfgang Angermann" <wolfgang.angermann@xxxxxxxx>
  • To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:37:43 +0200

MessageHello Kim,

I, unfortunately, also cannot give the advice you need. To me your description 
sounds very much like the problem I tried to described under a different 
subject. My synth here is a motif, an meanwhile I've tried three different 
instrument definition files. It seems that for some reason the transmission 
from and to our synth does not include the full range of effects applied in our 
instrument to the patch we select. Here with my Motif I'm facing this 
especially with the guitar and organ sounds. And, of course, there is no 
difference whether you use midi in/out or USB. Anyway, I'll keep on trying, and 
as soon as I find a Solution I'll let you know.

Wolfgang
----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kim Ellsworth 
  To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 4:41 AM
  Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Bank/Patch Changes Not Matching Up


  Message

  The symptoms are the same whether it's through USB or midi communication.

  I really appreciate all the input from everyone so far.  I'm truly stumped... 
 I do have an e-mail message into Korg's technical support in hopes of some 
enlightenment there as well.  I absolutely refuse to give up on this thing.  
Once upon a time, I used Cake Walk for DOS so I'm not entirely new to the midi 
scene.  Smiles.


  Kind Regards,
  Kim Ellsworth



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  From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Kevin L. Gibbs
  Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 10:29 PM
  To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Bank/Patch Changes Not Matching Up


  what happens with just MIDI communication?

    -----Original Message-----
    From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Kim Ellsworth
    Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 6:01 PM
    To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Bank/Patch Changes Not Matching Up


    Hi Omar,

    My intention is to get a mixer just as soon as I can find one that suits my 
needs.  I did try the synthesizer on external USB; however, the midi cables 
were still connected to the sound card.  I did disconnect those cables, told 
the sound card USB audio device for both input and output but then no sounds 
were coming from my synthesizer with just the USB communication.

    Thanks,
    Kim Ellsworth



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    From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Omar Binno
    Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 8:53 PM
    To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Bank/Patch Changes Not Matching Up


    If you're using USB to connect your board to the computer, you don't use 
the MIDI connection. You use either or. You have to find out if your 
synthesizer is set to MIDI or USB. You're really not getting full use out of 
everything unless you have a mixer.

    Omar Binno
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Kim Ellsworth 
      To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
      Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 7:29 PM
      Subject: [ddots-l] Bank/Patch Changes Not Matching Up


      Hi everyone,

      Please, please help me!  I no I almost have everything setup properly 
between my synthesizer (Korg Triton Extreme), my sound card (M-Audio Delta LT 
1010) and my desktop computer.  I've read and read the Cake Talking tutorial on 
the subject of midi, hardware setup, etc. until I'm blue in the face.  I'm so 
close, yet still so far from being able to start recording.

      Situation:

      1. Currently, my Korg is connected to the desktop via two routes; via USB 
to the computer(we were told to do this by the dealer where we bought the 
synthe) and by two midi cables (input and output of course that go directly to 
the sound card).

      2. Right now, until I can get a mixer, I have a set of monitor speakers 
to listen to the synthesizer through.
      3. I am running Sonar 4, producer edition and Cake Talking 4.0.3.  OS on 
desktop machine is Windows XP Home, SP2.

      4. I followed the instructions on configuring Sonar to recognize the 
Delta 1010, ran the Cake Talk tests at the beginning of this whole setup and 
everything was successful.

      5. I imported the korg.ins file in the import instrument deffinitions 
dialog and that appeared successfull as the patch names for the banks in the 
program and combi mode show up properly when choosing patch names.  However, 
when I cycle through the patch names after choosing a bank via Sonar, the 
sounds do change on the synthe side but it's not the correct patch; rather, no 
matter what bank I choose and what patch I choose via sonar, it is only picking 
the synthesizer's general midi patch sounds and not the sounds that are 
specific to the Korg.  Example, in Sonar, I choose Bank a, Patch name keyboard 
piano and strings.  This is a patch that on the actual synthesizer does indeed 
belong to bank A.  Yet, the synthe switches to harpsichord instead.  Am I 
making sense?

      By the way, Local Mode is set to off, enable bank, program and combi 
changes are all turned on.  I played around a bit with the input and output of 
midi ports but currently I have the input set to the Delta and the output set 
to USB audio device, which is how my Korg shows up in Sonar and in the midi 
devices in my sounds and audio properties of my computer.

      I apologize for making this a novel but trying to give as much 
information as possible that may be of some help and also, I've been working on 
trying to get this setup for a while now and a bit frustrated that I cannot 
figure this thing out on my own.

      Kind Regards,
      Kim Ellsworth


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