[ddots-l] Re: Accessible keyboards?

  • From: "W. Nick Dotson" <nickdotson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:26:23 -0600

You're exactly on the right page here with an understanding of the technical 
and human engineering that the "I want it now crowd" don't seem to have...  
My bet though, is that an initial product offering with something new like 
this, which gets down into the basic guts of the design of the product wioo, 
initially, 
at least, probably only be offered on premium "flagship" units...  There, 
because of the myriad bells and whistles already incorporated into the product, 
the 
profit margin per unit, and perceived amortization of the initial cost of 
incorporating the design change can be more easily hidden in the product cost 
and 
amortized...

Nick

On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:15:20 -0000, Tim Burgess wrote:

 Hi Nick,

 This is exactly what I'm trying to achieve by using some key contacts within
 Yamaha.  I know I'm winning the argument within the organisation and, once
 done, I can then use Yamaha's leverage to approach the MIDI Manufacturers
 Association to try and get text output written into the next available
 revision of the MIDI standard.

 I think what's not being appreciated here is the time scales involved for
 product life cycles and corporate culture changes.  From a pure programming
 point of view, implementing this kind of functionality into a brand new
 piece of kit is pretty simple  (probably a day or two's work for somebody
 who knows what they're doing).  However, this is the end of the road, not
 the start.  The starting point for all of this is to get the requirement for
 the functionality agreed by the board of the manufacturer - this will ensure
 that the requirement is then included in every design brief that the
 engineers draw up so it'll get incorporated into the products.  On top of
 this a separate thread needs to be created so that this new functionality is
 incorporated into product testing and after-sales support.  This latter
 requirement is probably more of a problem as it requires testers and support
 staff having an appreciation of the problem being addressed so that flaws
 can be caught and corrected before stuff goes out of the door, etc..

 All in all, my estimate for seeing any new product incorporating this stuff
 would be a minimum of two years, with the clock starting to tick at the
 point when the board approved the idea (which is the first and biggest
 hurdle we've got to jump).  The prize for us all here is enormous but the
 economics are marginal from the manufacturer's point of view.  The
 legislation in various countries is starting to help improve the argument,
 especially in the U.K., where the Disability Discrimination Act is starting
 to have a profound effect on suppliers of educational resources, etc. and
 there's also a lot of good will being built up with some of the key players
 within the industry, but it's like trying to push a big boulder over a cliff
 - it's easy once the point of balance has gone over the edge, but it'll take
 a lot of little, firm pushes to get it to that point. 

 Cheers.

 Tim
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 Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Accessible keyboards?

 I certainly think you're on the right page.  Seems to me that having
 manufacturer's get behind a subset of the MIDI standard, to allow their
 devices to send data in a manner analagous to the way that some of the
 Kurzweil's do, Dave Scrimenti (spelling?) and his brother used, might be the
 direction.  The less well-thought out less well articulated the request, the
 sillier will be the results.  This is the kind of thing that it would be
 good to have someone get behind and present to manufacturer's meetings at
 N.A.M. or similar industry-wide conferences.  I would think, for instance,
 getting the CakeWalk folks, perhaps because of Jerry knowing them, the
 ProTools folks, to present a combined proposal to hardware manufacturer's,
 with say Jerry, the JSonar, and Dancing Dots putting together the "wish
 list" and suggested means by which this could be accomplished, which would
 then be endorsed by the software folks previously mentioned.  I would say,
 for instance, allow the end-user of a device tp press a button, maybe with a
 standardized shape or symbol on it, which would envoke the data transfer
 process on a specific channel, so that commencement of the control process
 could be done by a blind device owner independently...

 Nick

 On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 22:27:22 -0700, Sean A. Cummins wrote:

  WHOA! GANG!  Please stop and think about what you are asking for!



  I am all for asking companies to help, but let's not corner ourselves into
 only one answer.



  True accessibility is opening the doors to many options and not just one.
 I 
  don't know about the rest of you, but I own many different types of 
  Microphones and many different types of guitars and other instruments 
  RIGHT?!  So why would I want to have only one keyboard company making an 
  accessible keyboard.  OH, I know, we can write all of them, but we'll be 
  lucky if one even gives such a small market a second thought.  Rather, we 
  need to approach an individual or individuals that can get us access to all

  of the MIDI devices that are all ready passing data free from one to the 
  other.



  I had been pioneering a MIDI music system for the blind way back in the 
  early eighties, and the best thing to have ever happen to the industry was 
  the development of the MIDI interface.  This happens to be one of the only 
  industries that sat down and worked out a standard by which all computer 
  based instrument could exchange data and control one another.  This data 
  flow is our key to accessibility!  We just need to find the person and or 
  persons that would continue to bring all of the concepts together.



  I would even venture to say that a foundation like the Microsoft Foundation

  would underwrite the development of the technology if one were to organize 
  and manage just such a project.



  Data is the key to freedom and not necessarily hardware.



  Give a man a fish. and he eats for a day!

  Teach a man to fish. and he eats for a lifetime!



  In my opinion, this is just what Dancing Dots has done for us all ready!  I

  propose that someone take up the cause of finding Dancing Dots the 
  underwriters for their and our benefit!



  God bless you all this Thanksgiving!



  Sean A. Cummins


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