[dbmat] Re: My answer to Heather's Question about therapies in DB-MD waiver

  • From: Caroline Daley <carolinedaley@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "dbmat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <dbmat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 00:03:20 -0600

I got this today- two of our interveners are either graduated or finishing this 
Hi Everyone,

There's still time to register for classes for the Intervener Training Program 
which begin on Wednesday, January 7.  Although this program is geared towards 
training interveners, it is also valuable for parents, educators, and others 
who work with individuals who are deafblind.  The first course in the series is 
ComD 4660, Introduction to Deafblindness, followed by ComD 4840, Vision and 
Hearing Loss, ComD 4890, Additional Issues in Deafblindness, and ComD 4250, 
Intervener Practicum.  The flyer is attached that describes the program, how to 
register, and also the cost of tuition.

We also offer 6 courses in blindness which begin on January 7.  These courses 
are geared towards parents and paraeducators who work with children who have 
visual impairment. We can send you a flyer on request.

All courses can be taken for university credit at either the undergraduate 
level or the graduate level. They can also be taken for non-credit for those of 
you who just want the information and are not concerned with college credit.

Please let us know if we can answer any of your questions.

_____________________________________________________ _________
Fran Payne | SKI-HI Institute | Center for Persons with Disabilities | Utah 
State University
6500 Old Main Hill | Logan, UT 84322-6500 | Phone: 435-797-5591| Fax: 

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> On Jan 5, 2015, at 10:44 PM, "Katherine" <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I am trying to find information on SSP training in Austin. And intervenor 
> training for DBMD attendant.  Thank You, Kathy Crittenden
> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Jan 3, 2015, at 12:02 AM, Leslie Stevens <lesliestevens07@xxxxxxxxx> 
>> wrote:
>> I wonder...speaking of trying to getting hippo/aqua/etc. therapies 
>> covered...Does it make any difference if the therapist providing services 
>> was, say, a certified PT who billed it as physical therapy, but just 
>> happened to be providing that physical therapy to the client in a pool, or 
>> on a horse...?  For example, Olivia does therapeutic horseback riding 
>> through SIRE (wonderful organization, BTW), but her riding instructor is not 
>> a certified PT or OT.  I believe in order to be truly termed as 
>> "hippotherapy" (rather than just "therapeutic horseback riding" or some 
>> variation on that), the provider has to be a certified PT or OT...So I just 
>> wonder if that makes any difference then in how they are able to classify 
>> the services provided and if it might be covered under one of the waiver 
>> programs that does include PT.  Maybe I'm way off...just a thought/question! 
>> Leslie
>>> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 10:18 PM, Stephen Schoen 
>>> <stephenschoen351@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Waivers can only offer services which are in their menu. Hippo, aqua, and 
>>> music therapies are not in the DB-MD waiver menu   I don't think there is 
>>> any loophole with prescriptions.  But I applaud CC's usual creative 
>>> thinking. By now, some of the parents of children who are getting in the 
>>> waiver are realizing the benefit of  their child's new Medicaid 
>>> eligibility.  Happy New Year to all tomorrow.  Be safe!  
>>>> On Dec 30, 2014 9:18 PM, "Melanie" <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> I think it has to be a prescription from a physician, but with that 
>>>> said...I am sure a Doc would do that
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>> On Dec 30, 2014, at 6:20 PM, "Davis,CC (DARS)" 
>>>>> <CC.Davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> I’m just wondering here, … but, … what I’m thinking is this:  Can a PT or 
>>>>> OT write a prescrip for something like aqua and hippo therapy, … and can 
>>>>> a speech path prescribe music as therapy.  Just wondering – I know the 
>>>>> benefits are there for those needs.  Steve would probably know though, … 
>>>>> as he’s been in that system in the past.  I know that the overall cost 
>>>>> has to be considered.  - CC
>>>>> From: dbmat-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dbmat-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of Heather Withrow
>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 11:21 PM
>>>>> To: dbmat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [dbmat] Re: My answer to Heather's Question about therapies in 
>>>>> DB-MD waiver
>>>>> Thank you so much for clarifying this for me, Steve!  The link helped. 
>>>>> Much appreciated!
>>>>> We have private health insurance (although it is crummy) for the basic 
>>>>> OT/PT therapies but like Lauren’s mom said earlier- go for the DBMD 
>>>>> waiver for the interveners.  I can’t imagine anyone NOT going for the 
>>>>> intervener enlightenment!  The DBMD waiver is the first of any waiver 
>>>>> that even contacted us about the opening, it’s a no-brainer.  It’s a 
>>>>> question of which agency I pick to work through.  I appreciate all the 
>>>>> other assistance we can get.  I’m seeing the light at last!
>>>>> Many, many thanks for the input.  I’m listening. 
>>>>> Heather,
>>>>> Orion’s mom
>>>>> On Dec 29, 2014, at 10:08 PM, Stephen Schoen <stephenschoen351@xxxxxxxxx> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I'm taking the liberty of answering Heather's question.   I'm not sure 
>>>>> what the case manager for the DB-MD provider is referring to by 
>>>>> "recreational therapy."  There is no such service for people of any age 
>>>>> in the DB-MD waiver.   The one service which adults can get and children 
>>>>> can't in the DB-MD waiver is Assisted Living.   Assisted living means 
>>>>> living in a residence other than your families (such as a small 6 or 
>>>>> fewer bed group home.)  
>>>>> The DB-MD waiver does not (and never has)  provide hippo therapy, aqua 
>>>>> therapy, and music therapy for people of any age. The only Medicaid 
>>>>> Waiver which provides those services is the CLASS waiver.   Here is a 
>>>>> link to description of the DB-MD Waiver services directly from the 
>>>>> current Texas Administrative Code.  It is worth the time to read all of 
>>>>> these services, and ask questions about any which are not clear.  
>>>>> (Division 3 has the majority of services and definitions.)
>>>>> http://info.sos.state.tx.us/pls/pub/readtac$ext.ViewTAC?tac_view=5&ti=40&pt=1&ch=42&sch=F
>>>>> Steve Schoen
>> -- 
>> Leslie Stevens
>> lesliestevens07@xxxxxxxxx
>> 713-408-4470

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