David Pilling wrote on 25 Jul: > It is not a good idea to use frames where lines are more appropriate, > frames carry a lot of overhead. > Line drawing on a master page is just like line drawing in the document. i had never drawn lines anywhere in OPro before. it was this doubleclick-to-finish-the-line that had foxed me. my masterpages are now using OPro's system of headers and footers, rather the three separate frames (header, body, footer) that i had first imported from the original Impression document. i'm now drawing these lines as a visual separation between header and body and between body and footer. i want a certain distance between header and line and between line and body text. the body text will start at the top of its area, therefore the line has to go a certain distance up from the bottom of the header section. i found the "centre text vertically in frame" option that i thought i had once seen (when you select a frame, it's in Object > Modify > Align) but unfortunately this affects the main body area as well as the header and footer area. so i fiddled with the definition of the header-footer text style, "space before" till i've got the headers where i want them. now at the moment i'm puzzing over how to make the footer text stay a certain distance BELOW the line i've drawn. its "space before" will have to be different from that of the header, so i suppose i'm going to have to define a separate style for footer and apply it 24 separate times: to the footers on left and right masterpages of my 12 chapters. (this is after copy&pasting the line and positioning it accurately in th F7 dialogue -- 48 times: header, footer, left, right, 12 chapters.) is there an easier way? maybe i'm coming at this with false assumptions from previous apps. with hindsight, i think separate frames for header and footer (which could include the line as one edge of the frame) would give me more control over spacing within and between the frames so the text will fall exactly where i want it. in general, what are the advantages and disadvantages of the OPro system of headers and footers as opposed to using three separate frames? can somebody with more experience of OPro give a summary? -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk Abbey Press 32 Norbins Rd (01458) 83 3603 Glastonbury BA6 9JG pocket 0797 415 3861 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: //www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling