OPW 2.92 (12 Jan 2011) I've never much liked the way the toolbox and info-palette get attached to document windows so, with two document windows open, changed the application choices to allow these to not to be attached. I was using a three-monitor PC, but only had the main one (a widescreen) and the lefthand one (trad 4:3 shape) turned on. The righthand one is also a 4:3; both side screens are only turned on if I need the extra screen space. I had the toolbox & info palette displayed on the lefthand screen, one document window on there or the main screen (can't remember) and the other document window shunted sideways to the right so that only its lefthand border was on the main screen. I closed the first document window. I think I lost the toolbox and info palette at that point (which I'd assumed would stay on screen until no document windows remained, but it loos as if they were associated with the first doc window only). That in itself is odd because it had seemed to me that having just one toolbox/info palette worked ok directing tool selections to, and seeing status info of, whichever doc window had focus at the time. That would make sense if the toolbox window merely sends a msg to any doc window that's listening, and doc windows send messages for display by any active palette window...? So I hoped they'd stay visible until the last doc window closed. I suppose in theory I could then have used View on the remaining document window to open a new toolbox & palette, but didn't need to... and in fact couldn't do so... The second document window didn't have focus and I couldn't gain it by clicking on its title bar. I couldn't drag it back into the centre of the main screen. Bear with me while I make a digression... I've seen this sort of thing before (in the BBC iPlayer desktop client, an AIR application) which on my laptop I rarely minimise because maximising its display from minimised is very slow, so I tend to push its window nearly off-screen. Then if it suddenly has a problem it displays an error box, but that seems to be a dynamic change of the pixels in its main/only window rather than a modal or non-modal extra message window being popped up. When BBC iPlayer does this 'focus' seems to change to the pop-up (which isn't a real window) but more to the point the main BBC iPlayer window loses focus. Anyway it's then impossible to click on its title bar and to drag it back. But I have found that right-clicking the taskbar button that represents BBC iPlayer and choosing 'Move' then allows Windows to let me move the whole window back so I can see and clear the error box. Anyway I tried the same with OPW; but selecting 'Move' didn't move the OPW document window. Now I was lucky, it was mainly off the main screen, but I then turned on the rightmost screen to see if it held any clues. It did - there was an OPW dialog box displayed towards the righthand side of this rightmost document window. It was a SaveAs box. I'm not sure why unless somehow shutting the first OPW window had tried to shut the whole OPW application, rather than just one document. Unless I'd double clicked the OPW icon at the top left of that window - maybe I had, as it was just an experimental document... or maybe it was an autosave thing? Dealing with the SaveAS dialog box made the OPW doc window moveable again; that's not really what concerns me. What is, is that I don't understand why that document window's SaveAs dialog box was so far to the right relative to its own document window. Why not centered? But even then if this window had been mainly off-screen (eg even further to the right, and perhaps this could happen on a single-monitor setup too) when OPW presented the dialog box, would I have been totally unable to see and deal with that dialog box? It seems to me that OPW should be making sure that such boxes always appear totally within the visible desktop area. In fact, I tend to think it'd be better if they were centered on the desktop and/or its primary display, rather than vaguely positioned on their own document window. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: //www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling