I have followed this discussion from the ARMini list and joined this list. I am a heavy user of Ovation Pro, and yes David still for publishing, and an excellent tool it is. Like Peter I have had crashes of one, the other or the machine when OvnPro and Netsurf are running but unlike for Peter these have been very rare. However I did manage to crash Netsurf yesterday replying to Peter with Ovation Pro running. To my shame I did not save the Netsurf log which might throw some light on it. I have spent some time this afternoon trying to engineer a crash but of course to no avail. There are some things I can do in Ovation which I know risk crashing the programme (like moving rotated graphic objects) but this was the same on the IYO and these seem to be separate issues from things stiffing Peter's machine. I suggest that different issues might be in danger of being conflated which might individually be about different matters, some internal to Ovation others about Beagle/Panda board machines. I welcome David's suggestion re issuing a reference ARM7 version as this is where RISC OS is now and it should help to clarify matters. And many thanks David for such a valuable publishing tool. ARMiniX, OP 2.77u, Netsurf 3.2 John Dr John Hurley Research, Project Development and Publications for Education To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: //www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling