... I've found a way to say this in a very simple way. Imagine two people, X and Y, who are "originalists." One is a professor (X) who has as his or her intellectual concern philosophy of law, and the other (Y) is ... [name occupation]. When the professor goes to work, chances are he or she thinks about or works on the matter in the course of employment quite regularly (reading, teaching, writing). The other person doesn't. It's a leisure activity for him or her. Moreover, the information consumed may not be quite different. But here's the kicker. Although both have similar conclusions about "what the constitution means," ask yourself -- who is more helpful in a discussion that is critical about the belief system? Imagine the discussion going into surrounding areas: language, history, Wittgenstein, etc. Then it goes into areas unforeseen: e.g., the philosophy of codification. Imagine the wealth of things one could theoretically access for such a discussion. Now ask yourself this: what is the likely responses you get from the non-professor when inspecting these things? What kind of breadth is there? Wouldn't the responses be something resembling rhetoric, "persuasion," debate and other feeling-things? Isn't it rather clear, that, in general, the professor is much more helpful to discuss with, in terms of what is given and received? Doesn't the professor tend to take in the pitfalls you show him or her (or vica versa), so that, next time, those issues are addressed? Note that the overall allegiance doesn't need to change in anyone -- the issue isn't whether you "win." The issue is always how considerate the belief system is. The issue is always how seductive the thoughts are. Acadmics don't discuss intellectual issues to hear people confess something. They want their thoughts nurtured. You see, I don't see it an issue of manners. It isn't whether you bow or tip your hat. It isn't even, necessarily, that you are politically invective. It's whether what you offer is something that the minds of the list haven't on their own thought of and that helps the understanding of something of concern for its own sake. Professors already have intellectual roots that are growing deeper in the earth by the day (hopefully). And so if someone throws a haymaker or confesses their allegiance about something, the issue isn't one of screening it for respect or first-amend values. The issue is whether the product is nourishing to the market. The issue, in short, is whether it informs or enlightens the list or calls forth something that does. Here is my point. If the desire is considerate thought, those whose occupation it is for such a thing surely have some comparative advantage, don't they? (Or shouldn't they?). So if you ban or reconfigure the participation on this list, do it NOT because of manners. Do it because the tendency is such that the life occupation may not properly endear the discourse. Regards and thanks. Dr. Sean Wilson, Esq. Assistant Professor Wright State University Personal Website: http://seanwilson.org (Subscribe: http://ludwig.squarespace.com/sworg-subscribe/ ) SSRN papers: http://ssrn.com/author=596860 New Discussion Groups! http://ludwig.squarespace.com/discussionfora/