[cryptome] Re: big brothers little helper

  • From: Shaun O'Connor <capricorn8159@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 15:40:08 +0100

Just goes to show that "democracy" is weighed in terms of pounds,
shillings (oh we don#'t have that any more oops!!!) and pence.. Justice
as you rightly point out. is largely a myth and certainly the trend
towards closed court hearings is on the up especially for"minor" crimes.
i emphasise "minor" because those little misdemeanour's get recorded.
archived and made available to prospective employers on the nod.
Perhaps the biggest irony is that there is one side saying that privacy
is being championed by more organizations as they see the implications
of misuse or misappropriation of private data and on the other hand
there are organizations (probably the very organizatrins that
are"championing the cause of privacy") that are falling over themselves
to equip governemtns world over with the necessary resources to pick out
any individual anywhere in the world almost irrespective of any security
measures that individual or organization is taking in order to protect
themselves from unwarrented survailance.

As things stand right now  the world is on a knife edgem one slight
shift in policy could make a huge difference between benign use of
intelligence gathering capability and malign use. of course this has
been the case for some time.

one thing is certain ,
every major war has one tell-tale hallmark, there has always been at
least one country that has used mass surveillance to control the masses
or particular sections of the population. The question now is, who will
be the one to press the dreaded button? the US, or China?

Lugging bags of potatoes around is far more preferable than logging body
bags around i would say.

ps yup i know i meandered a bit but then, i always meander.
On 01/10/2014 14:07, doug wrote:
> Hi Shaun,
> The problem with this data protection business in the E.C. and the
> rest of the world is that the discussion has been going on for years,
> and as it goes along it just appears more and more irrelevant to me. 
> Why?  Because nothing is mentioned about controlling the intelligence
> services and other information gatherers who collect stuff in secret. 
> Nothing is mentioned about the role of individual states and their
> privacy practices.  Nothing is ever mentioned about all those big data
> collection warehouses situated near telephone cables, fibre optics
> stuff, satellite and wireless communications.  Nothing is ever
> mentioned about oversight, and nothing is ever mentioned about
> educating the public into being more secure.  There is still an
> attitude that private data is worth nothing, so when it is
> compromised, any value derived from it goes in compensation to the
> banks or other financial institutions. So, in my view, the whole
> debate becomes a bit pointless.  Of course the "big yins" are going to
> consult with one another.  And those who have the greatest economic
> and political clout will dictate the terms.  The USA is, at the moment
> the big gun of the world, but in a few years time, it will be left
> behind by the Chinese, the Indians and the Russians.  They will then
> become the new class, the new countries, the new governments which
> dictate the terms of world trade, war, technological and scientific
> advancement.  Which would I rather have...none of them...but nobody is
> going to grant me that favour are they?
> I was watching some stuff on 9/11 the other evening...and thinking how
> much my life had changed since then.  Not a lot, is the answer.  Over
> the years, our legal rights have been removed to be replaced by some
> other stuff called pseudo rights.   These are rights which exist in
> the abstract, but when it comes to enforcing them they disappear into
> the mist, either because they cost a lot to employ lawyers, legal aid
> having disappeared in civil cases and which is now disappearing in all
> but the most exceptional criminal cases, or because people don't have
> the necessary skills and wherewithalls to protect and enforce their
> so-called rights.  There is always some government, institution, civil
> servant or what have you, who comes along, doesn't like what is being
> said, and even though it is not illegal, but is disagreeable for no
> other reason than it isn't their opinion, wants to ban it, ban the
> person, or ban the organisation.  Every time a problem comes up, the
> governments say, "Ah! We must legislate and control it".  To the point
> that we have thousands of laws in the statute books, as well as in the
> common law, which are never enforced, or but rarely, but are just
> waiting for a lovely fascist or dictatorial government to come along
> and put them into operation. Then we will really have the secret
> courts, the secret evidence, the secret sentencing, secret detentions
> and secret executions and secret coroners courts, happening all over
> the world.
> I have tried reading up on this new trading agreement being drawn up
> between the USA and the E.U. TIPPS or summat...And I can't find any
> clauses which says that the USA is going to take over Europe, any more
> than it has done or is doing now.  The NHS here in the UK and over
> Europe is already vanishing, or being privatised, just as the security
> services are, and it wouldn't surprise me if they privatise the armed
> forces next, and soldiers, sailors and airmen will get bonuses on the
> amount of collateral damage they cause and people they kill.
> ATB,
> Dougie
> On 01/10/14 05:42, Shaun O'Connor wrote:
>> https://www.accessnow.org/blog/2014/09/27/big-brothers-little-helper-inside-the-european-commission
>> now here IS something to fill those potato bags with....
>> ATB
>> sHAUN
>> -- 


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