I hadn't thought of it that way. That's an interesting possibility, How
would we know?
John, can you deny receiving any NSLs, warrants, court orders, etc.?
Is the warrant canary doing it's Monty Python routine? (It has ceased to
On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Shelley <shelley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On October 11, 2015 11:44:07 AM Michael Best <themikebest@xxxxxxxxx>
bbrewer has made a good point, actually. If someone is served a NSL, they
Has anyone stopped to think that perhaps it was on absolute purpose as aspeak
warning of lack of safety on his servers due to known 'but unable to
about’ system compromise? Ie. The same fashion as a warrant canary, orwhat
JYA’s stance has always seemed to have been: You’re not safe, please do
not be deluded into believing any systems, statements, or mathematical
systems will always have your back. Perhaps this is just to bring it
the absolute light for those too dense to grasp this mindset.(interestingly
The above scenario would also explain his general lack of input on the
situation — I myself have been expecting miles and miles of
grotesque almost) prose about the situation.
are gagged - prohibited by law from saying anything about it. Look at Nick
from Calyx: after a decade, his gag order has finally been lifted but there
is still a 90-day period during which the gag remains intact to give the
feds time to appeal. It's crazy stuff.
Even if JY did it to "make a point" about all security being illusory BS,
the log files dropped are old enough that they probably wouldn't cause much
harm. The same basic argument used by Wikileaks when they dropped the
State Dept cables.
If so, then why did he spend a week denying it, calling me a liar, saying
the data is fake and accusing it of being disinfo? And why not notify
people on the website instead of the occasional tweet about how all logs
leak/it's "not the worst"?
And if it *was* purposeful, how is *that* okay? If he leaked four months
worth of his users' logs and metadata including search terms, *to make a
On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 2:02 PM, Shelley <shelley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
Calling bullshit. Mirimirs right, this makes no sense. And JYA says
won't let him delete the logs but Netsol says logs are disabled bydefault[
and you have to turn them on.just
So how the fuckd this really happen?
I truly don't know. I don't have any more info than anyone else, I was
just musing about how it could have happened. Obviously, hearing JY's
explanation would be the best thing.
Also agree re: the /var/log issue, but I get the impression that the
restored files weren't kept in the normal file tree structure. Again, I
simply don't know and I'm not trying to be an overt JY apologist - I'm
saying sometimes, shit happens. It would help if he would weigh ininstead
of having dorks like me positing hypotheticals.not
Are you arguing that users could have found those logs?
I almost can't imagine that. Logs are normally in /var/log/ somewhere,
and I can't imagine making them searchable. And indeed, I can't imagine
how Cryptome archives would have included anything from /var/log/, even
after system restore from backups.
Should access logs be kept for that long? Absolutely not. From what I>have read in the email exchange that was posted, the log files were>
included in a NetSol total restore. My guess is that John/Cryptome did>
intentionally keep these files, and did not realize these files were>in
included in the archive.
But that's the thing. Logs should have been in /var/log/. And how would
the "NetSol total restore" have changed that?
When I do incremental backups or updates on my own systems, I don't>usually go back and check the integrity of files I've already archived>
my closed system. I can see where this could be an honest mistake> thathas
gotten blown way out of proportion. It's a good lesson to be> moreaware of
these types of glitches.drjfeinstein@xxxxxxxx>
I still don't get how logs would have ended up in archives. Maybe JYA
prepared a special set of archives for a collaborator. Maybe for someone
helping him to understand what had happened. And then maybe he forgot
about doing that. Hard to say.
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