[cryptome] Re: The Nuclear Chain Reaction Gossip Column. Was: : US/Lyndon Baines Johnstone supplied Iran's Nuclear Reactor in 1967

  • From: doug <douglasrankine2001@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2015 13:03:39 +0000

Hi Andrew,
My apologies, I unintentionally misled you...I don't have cataracts...I should have put a smile on the end of the hairy haggis...I don't breed them either...they just grow in the wild...:-) .

Excuse my ignorance, but why would intelligence agencies use dial up connectivity and acoustic coupler modems?

Self-actualisation, presumably is self development. If so, then yes. I don't see any other way of learning. After all, someone else can't learn something for you...unless one contracts with them to take ones' place...:-) . But then, that isn't you...or me...is it...

Regarding Wilde's quote on education. I did say that everyone should be entitled to specialised schooling, part of the "worth knowing"...Vygotski is the one that comes to mind...though I must say that as there are many different methods, the good student just has to learn which one or combinations of teaching methods are the best for the individual student.

Different schools for different concepts and methods, different schools for different practices, different tools for different trades...The 5 P.s is my rule of thumb, perception+perspicacity+perseverance+practice=Perfection. Perfection is fascism.

The trouble with differentiating between an academic and a practical education, is that both are as necessary as the other. Each have their uses. Put the academics with all of their degrees into the Australian Bush and none of them will keep them cool, far less alive, be they German or Israeli. But take the Aborigines, and put them in the Bush and they will survive for at least 1,000,000 years...and not damage the environment in a non-sustainable way. Who is the better educated for life...and isn't survival what life is all about?

Ah! The Great Leap Forward...you bring back so many memories, I remember it well, Mao's Little Red Book with all its quotations. I remember the Little Red Book, but have forgotten all the quotations. The 1960's was the time when the Maoist factions and political groupings in London were growing strong and appeared on London streets en masse, waving their Little Red Books and shouting slogans from it with great energy and unity, sticking their hands up in the communist solidarity salute of the right fist raised, where are they now?

see url: http://poems.writers-network.com/ee_cummings/kumrads-die-because-theyre-told.html

The Red Gaurds forced the academics to work in the fields, where many of them died or were quite useless. They organised campaigns to kill off the birds in the fields, because they were eating up the food. Very successful they were, except the following year, there was a plague of insects...Peasants had to smelt pig iron in small forges, so using up precious and and expensive electricity. The Maoists wanted to introduce the Red Guards system into the UK. Just as I wanted to introduce the Soviet System into our society...the mistakes and errors of youth...I can only blame my poor education on the Conservative party, after all they were in charge of it for most of my learning years...:-) .

Nightmarish scenarios can never be prevented, after all they were invented by human beings. No minds, means no consciousness, no consciousness, means no unconsciousness, no unconsciousness means no dreams, no dreams means no nightmares...simple really...:-)

For every piece of planning which comes right there is always many bits of planning which goes wrong. A plan which is good for me, might be very bad for you.

And just think on it, so far as we know, we human beings as a species are the newest, latest and most advanced product of evolution, and we are the result of countless numbers of evolutionary mistakes. Now that we are getting round to inventing and producing our own genes...life should be even more fun...:-) .
Just a few humble observations...

On 02/03/15 19:11, Andrew Hornback wrote:
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:31 AM, doug <douglasrankine2001@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:douglasrankine2001@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

    Hi Andrew,

    You asked of my origins...Scotland, originally, but I have been
    away from there about 4 times as long as I lived there.  Not so
    much wool over me eyes, but cataracts, comes from breeding
    specialist hairy haggis for Burns Suppers...they are so fine, that
    one can hardly see them.

Ahh, you may want to have the surgery for those, my friend.

[snip'd the comedic coming of age of Dougie :)]

    Regarding the internet, of course GCHQ and all sorts of government
    and security services, the military and so on have their own
    secret and private internets, intra-nets virtual nets and all
    sorts, where they have newsgroups, private discussion groups and
    blogs to keep themselves up to date with the latest developments
    in classified issues around the world, compartmentalised of
    course. The Snowden documents have revealed some of them.

I would not be the least bit surprised to find out that some of these intelligence agencies are still using dial-up connectivity and acoustic coupler modems to connect in to "classic" collaboration systems. Why abandon a technology that's worked for decades?

    Intention, a vivid imagination, personal experience and high
    intellect and the ability to apply it physically to ones
    situation, and learn from ones mistakes...even if it is to make
    bigger ones, are of course individual and personal traits, rather
    than a collective one, with that I agree.

Sounds like a discussion about self-actualization, from my point of view...

    "Education is an admirable thing, but it is as well to remember
    that nothing that is worth knowing can be taught", as Oscar Wilde
    once said in "Philosophies for the Young".

I would respectfully disagree... there are a lot of things worth knowing that can and must be taught. One does not simply pick up a welding torch and become an artisan welder without some basic training and guidance. Same goes for plumbers, electricians, spies... just because you own a set of tools to do a job does not make you a master of the craft.

    Personally, I believe that the artists, no matter of what race,
    ethnicity, gender or age; the theorists and practitioners of the
    arts and sciences are born, rather than created by over-indulgent
    parents, specialist schools, or ruling elites and secret societies
    in jumped up universities, but there you are...who am I, but a
    hairy wee Scot...:-) .  I am not saying here, by the way, that
    specialist training and education is no good...it should be
    offered to all that want it, rather than a select few.

See, I'm a fan of the way that the Germans and Israelis (odd combination, I know, but stay with me for a minute) handle what amounts to their high school and post-high school youth. 2 years of trade school education or 2 years of military service and then either into a profession, onto academic college or staying within the military. The world will always need a supply of plumbers, carpenters, electricians, morticians... but not always a horde of English, Philosophy or Psychology majors.

    China, as an entity, is a lot larger in terms of demography and
    geography and a lot older in history and cultural terms than the
    United States and it is only recently that it has started to
    industrialise in the capitalist fashion and pollute the
    environment in a major way.

You may want to look into...


... and the damage done both economically and environmentally by this movement.

Also, as I tend to recall from my Chinese Foreign Policy class at the University, The Great Leap Forward resulted in entire cemeteries being dug up, the bodies removed and the ground used for agricultural use. When a society puts industrialization ahead of respect for the dead...

    If it hadn't been for all those goods it was encouraged to produce
    for the US market, and its communist party subverted by American
    ways, then America would have been a lot poorer, and China a lot

And again, more information from Wikipedia...


Modern China, China of the 80s and China of the Great Leap Forward look like distant cousins to one another at this point in history. There's no way that one could say that China would have been a lot cleaner if not for the demand for goods in America. Goods are produced, doesn't matter necessarily where they are destined for final delivery. That production and the industrialization to support that production causes nightmarish scenarios. Perhaps if the Chinese hadn't acquired their post-WWII industrialization from the Soviets, things would be different... but, that's neither here nor there at this point.

    Perhaps the chap I mentioned (I am sorry I wish I could remember
    his name and his position) was suffering from a subconscious
    learnt process of superior cultural hegemony gained from one of
    those Primrose League schools which he attended, and which the
    representatives of huge empires usually do.

I'm far from a fan of ivory tower education... see above.

    When one gets too many of them it usually leads to the downfall of
    the empire.

Again, the name on the sheepskin is a sign of quality for those who don't care to dive any further into the issue.

    There arises a belief that a good education, means going to the
    top educational establishments, i.e. paying a lot to learn the
    social graces of corruption, family networking, rituals and job
    creation, and how to corrupt others with the minimum chance of
    getting caught.

A good education is what the student makes out of it - not what name is on the door that greets visitors to the campus.

    The Soviet Union disappeared because its communist party thought
    it was the cream of socieity, the intelligenzia and thought that
    it was more clever than anyone else and instead turned into the

Both major political parties in the US suffer from the same mindset, unfortunately.

    Such methods don't always work, of course, too many others doing
    the same thing.  The laws of uneven development, as Karl Marx put
    it, means that empires come and go, and don't last
    forever...though it does seem like it at times.  The UK went the
    same way early in the 19th Century, neo-colonised by the US, held
    in hock, just like the rest of Europe (apart from old Europe, of
    course...-)). l but its ruling elites still has airs and graces
    well above its station...Still, perhaps the application of IT, the
    internet, the world wide web, the social media sharing experience
    and the growth of the global corporations will change all of
    that...but I doubt it.
    Evolution, to survive as a theory and in practice means change,
    change and more change and there is nuffink anyone can do to stop it.

It's not necessarily the political elites running the show anymore - a couple of gaffs, a foible or two and you won't win the next election (or get enough donors lined up to build the war chest to run properly in the next election).

Concentrate on the number 1917 for a minute. Why 1917? Smack in the middle of World War I, the US starts to get involved heavily. The Federal Budget of the US grows to over 1 Billion USD for the first time and is roughly the same size as the collective budgets from 1789 to 1849.

Now... 1 Billion USD. Why is that important? The next Presidential election in the United States will have two candidates spending more than 1 Billion USD each to win the same seat that George Washington didn't spend a dime to get elected to. 1 Billion USD for a position that doesn't pay more than $500k/yr (heavily rounding), so that's $2 Million over a four year term. So, you're spending 1000 to get 2 in return. Does that kind of logic fly in business? If so, I've got some really great investment grade bridges for sale in NYC... prime real estate, great views, hugely popular locations.

The global corporations are the elites now - they're using IT to ensure their longevity. Using/abusing IT, Al Gore's Internet and social media to keep people stupid and blind. What's more important in the grand realm of existence, the color of a dress or the war vs. ISIL? Kim Kardashian's ass or the situation in Ukraine?

    Ah...Well, back to knitting me eyebrows...and Tx for the
    info...nice to share...:-) .


--- A

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