[cryptome] Re: The Greenhouse Effect: Was Re: Re: Cryptome is Back: BBC Monitoring Service.

  • From: Shaun O'Connor <capricorn8159@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 21:56:13 +0100

Hi Douggie
Me? stand up for president. naaaa. every president I have ever witnessed
walked  in with big fat lies dressed up as promises( or was it promises
they found they could keep?),.

Mmmm what was that about being an activist? there are many shades of
activism from raising points to spark wider debate to outright civil
disobedience. I prefer the raise a point to spark debate variety myself.
Oh and as for rights. good point, I reckon a persons "rights" are
measured in pounds shillings and pence, Or dollars and cents, or the
yuen or....well you get the point.  the more money you can throw about
the more"rights" you have..provided you throw it at the right people.

ATB
Shaun
On 30/06/2014 21:33, doug wrote:
> Hi Shaun,
> I was just wondering if you were thinking about standing for
> President  or was one of those human rights activists of which there
> are a plethora throughout the world these days.  t is a relief to find
> you are niether.
>
> I was merely thinking to myself what a human right actually is and
> whether it exists in real life and if it does exist, then what is
> meant by it exactly.  I studied civil liberties in English Law for a
> number of years and came to the conclusion that there aren't
> any...Human rights are an invention by human beings, and as such
> artificial, rather than natural, like animal rights; but there again,
> it depends on how one defines and interprets it.  The right to
> happiness for instance, as in the U.S. constitution, but how does one
> enforce it?  The happiness of a cancer professor finding a new kind of
> cancer and the happiness of the subject of the cancer in discovering
> that he/she has it and that it is new and made the specialist so
> excited, only to find that the cancer, because it is new, has as yet,
> no cure... can somehow influence their mood.
>
> If I walk down the street and someone pushes me off the pavement,
> calls me a Scotch bastard and spits on me.  What human rights do I
> have?  Where can I exercise this right, the right will only protect me
> after the event, if it is exercisable, which it is not, because it is
> too trifling, like my copyright in my posts.  I don't think that
> rights exist at all, I think that human rights are another one of
> those myths, which we are all brought up to believe in.
>
> Then there is the question of privacy.  Privacy is another one of
> those concepts and words which are bandied about willy nilly...but
> what does it mean? Does privacy include being secure, and does it
> include secrecy...or does it merely include confidentiality and not
> secrecy.  Then there is secrecy of course, there are two kinds of
> secrets...official ones, and unofficial ones.  The unofficial secrets
> are far more numerous than the official ones,  in my view.  I can't
> prove it of course, but for instance, only 4.2 million US citizens
> have access to secrets, whilst there are over 280 million who have
> access to the unofficial ones...Food for thought... eh?
> ATB
> Dougie.
>
> On 28/06/14 21:29, Shaun O'Connor wrote:
>> nah your spot on Douggie.
>> "climate change" and all that crap is the perfect excuse to foist on
>> the unsuspecting public to shore up the ever expanding defence
>> industry, the hordes of spooks that need all those layers of
>> protection. politicians plush offices..etc etc . call me a cynic if
>> you like but that's the way I look at it, nature follows well defined
>> patterns of events and there is sweet FA that money ,science or man
>> can do to change it.
>>
>> Now meaning of words I think you mentioned in a previous
>> post......mmm. not sure I have a pat answer to that one.
>>
>> privacy being a basic right rather than a concession? look at this
>> way,  would would you really want everyone gawking at your most
>> intimate moments? much less other activities required by the needs of
>> nature!!
>>
>> Funny how the spooks seems to think that they and only THEY have a
>> right to privacy or anonymity and everyone else is expected to accept
>> unwarranted snooping without so much as a fucking whimper!!
>> ok rant over...ahh i feel much better now..
>> On 28/06/2014 18:10, doug wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Neal,
>>> I remember when I was a kid, my grandfather telling me that the
>>> ground was so hot, that he used to burn his feet on the pavement on
>>> the way to school.  It turned out that he had no shoes.
>>> When I were a kid, I remember learning at school that we were
>>> heading for the next Ice Age and it was going to get colder and colder.
>>>
>>> When I were an adult and first became involved in the "Green"
>>> movement after reading a book on it in the 1960's, I was told that
>>> by now, the planet would have run out of oil, gas, and would be so
>>> polluted and so full of people as to make life impossible.
>>>
>>> When I was middle aged, along came a  man called Tony Blair and
>>> started taxing me so as to protect the environment and then gave all
>>> the money to large companies to produce more "green" energy like
>>> wind turbines and solar panels.  I am not opposed to such things,
>>> but it is funny how defence expenditure and the waste of resources
>>> and energy created by the defence industry, is somehow immune from
>>> criticism.
>>>
>>> Nowadays I take a much more dubious and conservative approach.  I
>>> have little doubt that CO2 is on the increase, whether it is due to
>>> mankinds activities on the planet or for some other reason, I don't
>>> know.  And whether the increase in CO2 is causing the planet to heat
>>> up, and I do believe that it is heating up, but whether it will
>>> continue to do so, I haven't a clue, but I have my doubts as to the
>>> cause, or whether we can do anything about it.  I do have concerns
>>> about the holes in the ozone layer which we are now trying to patch
>>> up.  And I have always advocated that we should use energy efficient
>>> forms of production and manufacturing and protect and care for our
>>> environment, learn to recycle more, conserve and grow more trees in
>>> a sustainable way and try and minimise the effect on the environment
>>> which human activity does have.  I am also conscious that change of
>>> the global environment, from such things as sunspot activity,
>>> volcanic eruption, thunder and lightning can release a lot more heat
>>> and radiation in a day, than the energy produced in the whole of
>>> human history.
>>>
>>> It is interesting to note that as carbon dioxide increases in the
>>> atmosphere, then certain plants and trees will be encouraged to grow
>>> and take it up. 
>>>
>>> I also tend to go along with the views of Lovelock, in that if such
>>> climate change is taking place, there is nuffink or little we can do
>>> about it...Objective, evidence based science these days has a lot of
>>> lobbyists acting on its behalf in the competition for resources...
>>>
>>> Maybe I am just stupid for thinking all those thoughts, and really
>>> should go and pull up my trowsis and sit in the dunces chair...
>>> ATB
>>> Dougie.
>>>
>>> On 28/06/14 16:30, Neal Lamb wrote:
>>>> http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> -- 
>> *_PRIVACY IS A BASIC RIGHT - NOT A CONCESSION _*
>

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