[cryptome] Re: The Greenhouse Effect: Was Re: Re: Cryptome is Back: BBC Monitoring Service.

  • From: Neal Lamb <nl1816a@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 13:46:11 -0700

Dougie, you a Scotch bastard too? What clan?
I, also married a Gordon
Heard the Gordon clan was bad news in Scotland
Oh well. it could be worse
Neal Lamb

On Monday, June 30, 2014 3:33 PM, doug <douglasrankine2001@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Shaun,
I was just wondering if you were thinking about standing for
      President  or was one of those human rights activists of which
      there are a plethora throughout the world these days.  t is a
      relief to find you are niether.

I was merely thinking to myself what a human right actually is and
      whether it exists in real life and if it does exist, then what is
      meant by it exactly.  I studied civil liberties in English Law for
      a number of years and came to the conclusion that there aren't
      any...Human rights are an invention by human beings, and as such
      artificial, rather than natural, like animal rights; but there
      again, it depends on how one defines and interprets it.  The right
      to happiness for instance, as in the U.S. constitution, but how
      does one enforce it?  The happiness of a cancer professor finding
      a new kind of cancer and the happiness of the subject of the
      cancer in discovering that he/she has it and that it is new and
      made the specialist so excited, only to find that the cancer,
      because it is new, has as yet, no cure... can somehow influence
      their mood.

If I walk down the street and someone pushes me off the pavement,
      calls me a Scotch bastard and spits on me.  What human rights do I
      have?  Where can I exercise this right, the right will only
      protect me after the event, if it is exercisable, which it is not,
      because it is too trifling, like my copyright in my posts.  I
      don't think that rights exist at all, I think that human rights
      are another one of those myths, which we are all brought up to
      believe in.

Then there is the question of privacy.  Privacy is another one of
      those concepts and words which are bandied about willy nilly...but
      what does it mean? Does privacy include being secure, and does it
      include secrecy...or does it merely include confidentiality and
      not secrecy.  Then there is secrecy of course, there are two kinds
      of secrets...official ones, and unofficial ones.  The unofficial
      secrets are far more numerous than the official ones,  in my
      view.  I can't prove it of course, but for instance, only 4.2
      million US citizens have access to secrets, whilst there are over
      280 million who have access to the unofficial ones...Food for
      thought... eh?

On 28/06/14 21:29, Shaun O'Connor wrote:

nah your spot on Douggie.
"climate change" and all that crap is the perfect excuse to foist
      on the unsuspecting public to shore up the ever expanding defence
      industry, the hordes of spooks that need all those layers of
      protection. politicians plush offices..etc etc . call me a cynic
      if you like but that's the way I look at it, nature follows well
      defined patterns of events and there is sweet FA that money
      ,science or man can do to change it.

Now meaning of words I think you mentioned in a previous
      post......mmm. not sure I have a pat answer to that one.

privacy being a basic right rather than a concession? look at this
      way,  would would you really want everyone gawking at your most
      intimate moments? much less other activities required by the needs
      of nature!!

Funny how the spooks seems to think that they and only THEY have a
      right to privacy or anonymity and everyone else is expected to
      accept unwarranted snooping without so much as a fucking whimper!!
ok rant over...ahh i feel much better now..

On 28/06/2014 18:10, doug wrote:

Hi Neal,
I remember when I was a kid, my grandfather telling me that
          the ground was so hot, that he used to burn his feet on the
          pavement on the way to school.  It turned out that he had no
When I were a kid, I remember learning at school that we were
          heading for the next Ice Age and it was going to get colder
          and colder.

When I were an adult and first became involved in the "Green"
          movement after reading a book on it in the 1960's, I was told
          that by now, the planet would have run out of oil, gas, and
          would be so polluted and so full of people as to make life

When I was middle aged, along came a  man called Tony Blair
          and started taxing me so as to protect the environment and
          then gave all the money to large companies to produce more
          "green" energy like wind turbines and solar panels.  I am not
          opposed to such things, but it is funny how defence
          expenditure and the waste of resources and energy created by
          the defence industry, is somehow immune from criticism.

Nowadays I take a much more dubious and conservative
          approach.  I have little doubt that CO2 is on the increase,
          whether it is due to mankinds activities on the planet or for
          some other reason, I don't know.  And whether the increase in
          CO2 is causing the planet to heat up, and I do believe that it
          is heating up, but whether it will continue to do so, I
          haven't a clue, but I have my doubts as to the cause, or
          whether we can do anything about it.  I do have concerns about
          the holes in the ozone layer which we are now trying to patch
          up.  And I have always advocated that we should use energy
          efficient forms of production and manufacturing and protect
          and care for our environment, learn to recycle more, conserve
          and grow more trees in a sustainable way and try and minimise
          the effect on the environment which human activity does have. 
          I am also conscious that change of the global environment,
          from such things as sunspot activity, volcanic eruption,
          thunder and lightning can release a lot more heat and
          radiation in a day, than the energy produced in the whole of
          human history.

It is interesting to note that as carbon dioxide increases in
          the atmosphere, then certain plants and trees will be
          encouraged to grow and take it up.  

I also tend to go along with the views of Lovelock, in that if
          such climate change is taking place, there is nuffink or
          little we can do about it...Objective, evidence based science
          these days has a lot of lobbyists acting on its behalf in the
          competition for resources...

Maybe I am just stupid for thinking all those thoughts, and
          really should go and pull up my trowsis and sit in the dunces

On 28/06/14 16:30, Neal Lamb wrote:



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