Eugen rightly notes cypherpunks maillist suicide from lack of moderation. Much debate about that back then. Led to several offshoots to provide laundered postings. Most of those eventually died from moderator burn-out. A couple were re-born becoming adult-like juveniles behaving far too soberly to merit vote rigging rights, and lately the old-drunk cypherpunks itself is struggling to break free of its bodysnatched membrane. Its run by a gaggle of "paid informants (r)", like our exemplary CJ here under unlaundered cover, in emulation of the originals who have retired on their government pensions for dual-use technology generously rewarded under dual-purpose hoodwinking. Or in jail which is superior acommodation to coastal think tanks. One benefit of being a "fucking moderator" or best, "Mange," (thanks CJ) is moving up the greasy pole to better dole. But a moderator has to allow shit to happen or there's no bitching thus no appeal thus no subbing and unsubbing and thence doomed to massively buying sock puppet followers on Twitter. Eugen will vanish up his own asshole if lists dwindle, and we will become less informed by his sagacious spam, forced immigration to to plain old fishwrap burgeoned ads for erectile disfunction and crotch shot dancers. One vote for Eugen, one vote for Haim, one vote for everyone dead or alive. Rig them votes, sock them puppets.