[cryptome] Re: Russians and Chinese Allegedly Access 1 Million Snowden Documents

  • From: "Dan Perry" <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> (Redacted sender "dperry155@xxxxxxxxx" for DMARC)
  • To: "cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 22:12:54 +0000 (UTC)

Protect us from money launderers, terrorists, child molesters and law breakers?
You mean protect us from our own officials? Naive much?

From: Shaun O'Connor <capricorn8159@xxxxxxxxx>
To: cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 1:49 PM
Subject: [cryptome] Re: Russians and Chinese Allegedly Access 1 Million
Snowden Documents

In one short sentence em, paragraph. I think its more likely a bluff to try
and justify the requirement for blanket monitoring without the need to justify
the requirements, necessity, proportionality etc..

No doubt the governments will now be chiming in with"told you so" and 
conveniently "terrorist attacks" will escalate as a consequance.

My cynicism getting in the way as usual...... now to analyse the piece more
thoroughly methinks.


On 14/06/2015 19:59, Douglas Rankine wrote:

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div.yiv7592107798WordSection1 {}--> NEWSFLASH: Sunday Times Article See url:
http://cryptome.org/2015/06/ru-cn-snowden-1m-docs.htm   Oh! Dear!  What a
terrible tizwaz.   The UK Prime Minister,  The Home Secretary, the Secret
Services and the Intelligence service have only just realised that the Edward
Snowden documents have been cracked by the Russians and Chinese, and urgent 
moves have had to be made to pull back our spies and agents in the front line,
so that the Russians and Chinese won’t catch them in the field.   All our
tradecraft has been revealed to them, but no spies or agents have been killed
or captured, which is such a relief, at least Snowden isn’t a murderer, just a
traitor. whistleblower and most inconvenient person, who should only get 150
years when he returns to the USA for a fair trial.   Isn’t it just terrible
that those primitive Russians and Chinese with their concrete brains, ancient
security and intelligence services, have compromised 5 Eyes most advanced
security techniques, which Mr. Snowden, as the epitome of absolute, top of the
hill,  NSA security, if not anonymity, has been using to hide his documents so
that they can be fed to the Western news media in dribs and drabs.  All those
journalists could be out of a job, if they are subverted by the Russians and
Chinese.   Now that the stuff is no longer a big secret, perhaps the time has
come for them all to come clean and declassify them, so that we, the taxpayers
and citizens of the world, can have a look at them, analyse them and help
discover any vulnerabilities and make suggestions as to improving encryption
and improving civil liberties, as well as, at the same time helping the nation
states to protect us from the criminals, money launderers, terrorists, war
mongers, arms dealers and child molesters throughout the world.   Dammit! 
That idealist streak of mine keeps getting in the way.   Now, what do all the
spies and spooks, goons and agents on here think of the Sunday Times
article...Do you think it is a black op, or a grey op, a diversionary tactic to
try and protect the right of government ministers to issue warrants on behalf
of the state, rather or as well as the justiciary, on the flimsiest of
evidence, or to re-inforce the need to continue with bulk collections and store
the stuff in all those huge data silos for future use?   It’s OK...guys and
gals, the questions are rhetorical, no need to expose yourselves and blow your
cover on here, it has already been done for you...:-).   Apparently, the
Russians and Chinese have got all the information anyway... J.   It couldn’t
be the fact that the inquiry “A Question of Trust” has been published and does
a roundup of most of the techniques and skills and tradecraft, in an open
source way, and is somewhat of an embarrassment for a democratic government,
which has been subverting citizens rights surreptitiously, and via confusion
and economies of truth, hiding the extent of their double talk and hypocrisy? 
And the media accept it hook, line and sinker.  The times are long gone when
the Sunday Times had a good investigative journalist team.  Nowadays, they rely
on government handouts and lazy internet research, rehashing and re-circulating
articles without checking and double checking them.  No wonder I don’t buy
newspapers these days... J. ATB Dougie. N.B. “A Question of Trust” is really
getting interesting, especially the bit on technology.



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