[cryptome] Re: Pretty Damning Stuff. Out of the Mouths of the CIA
- From: doug <douglasrankine2001@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 17:42:56 +0000
Hi Shaun,
Who knows what is going to happen in the UK in the next 6 months. The
Conservatives have been threatening to withdraw from the European Court
of Human Rights...that is true...but they have been doing that for a
while, and they won't get it through under the present coalition
government. It was mainly because they were made a monkey out of over
the question of the extradition/expulsion of Abu Qatada to Jordan to
face terrorist charges. He led us all a merry dance, but in the end he
was quite right. If it hadn't been for his struggle for his human
rights, of not having evidence admitted to the Jordanian court which had
been gained via torture, he would be almost certainly have been
sentenced to death. Our government would have been responsible for the
man's death...and breaking all the international rules on human
behaviour and protecting human rights; but prejudice goes deep with our
Conservatives too. I don't know if he was guilty of any other crime.
The government just didn't care about his human rights and a huge
campaign of vilification was waged against him in the media and against
the European Court.
One does get the feeling too, that the only people who seem to take
action to get their human rights are prisoners and criminals. I look at
Google these days, and wonder what is missing in the "right to be
forgotten" clause at the bottom of the search. I believe just as much
as anyone else in giving the protection of private data a much higher
priority in the scheme of things, but it can be a two edged weapon...
Due to the recent referendum in Scotland, the Scottish National Party
has increased its membership quite significantly, even though it lost
the vote. The intervention of the main Westminster political parties
and personalities, has cost their parties dearly, in terms of support,
number of members and cash. The Conservatives are already more or less
finished in Scotland, and, if recent polls are anything to go by the
Labour Party will get decimated, losing over 30 Westminster M.P.s to the
Scot Nats. If the promises made by the "No" alliance, regarding extra
powers and control by the Scottish government are not met, it may be
even worse. The Labour Party is reliant on the Scottish vote to return
it to Westminster with a parliamentary majority. The Labour heartlands
are moving over to the SNP. No shipyards, no unions, no working class.
The Scottish independence question is not going to go away, I think.
The English are getting more "bolshie" too. They are now asking why the
Scots get a say in purely English legislation, when the English don't
get a say in Scottish legislation. And there is a move away from
Westminster to developing a more regional, devolved kinds of
government. There is a lot of disillusion amongst voters regarding
political leaders and M.P.s. They all seem to be from the same class
and went the same posh schools and universities, and social mobility, so
essential for democracy, is fast disappearing. The gulf between rich
and poor is growing fast, and people are wondering why we have the money
to bail out the banks and criminal bankers to the point of trillions of
pounds and increase the national debt, yet we can't afford to put any
money into the NHS and other benefits to look after the needs of most of
our citizens.
We, the taxpayers seem to be subsidising big business too, paying out
tax credits because workers don't get enough wages from large companies
like Tesco, who spent the cash on private aeroplanes for their senior
staff. We also seem to have plenty of money for foreign wars and
supporting Al Qaeda terrorists in the Middle East (£800 million) was on
offer to the terrorists in Syria, until parliament voted no, last year.
Yet they couldn't pay out £20 million to solve the problem of flooding
in the Somerset Levels. Something really wrong is going on in our
society. It aint like wot it used to be. Our leaders just don't care
any more, there is not even a pretence, they just want money and power,
and are prepared to sell out to the highest bidder...very sad.
The Scottish government, isn' t really a national government as such.
It is really a regional government created under European Union
legislation. If we pull out of the EU, I don't know what will happen
constitutionally.
So, if the United Kingdom Independence Party gets a lot of votes,
(estimates vary up to 40 m.p.s, but that is probably optomistic) it will
be taking them from the main two political parties, and the EU
referendum may very well go their way. The extra money (£1 billion)
offered by Cameron to the Northern Ireland government has been rejected,
so it looks like the remnants of the old Unionist/ Conservative alliance
has gone down the pan. The Welsh too, are asking for increased powers
from Westminster. UKIP has very little influence in Scotland at
present. England of course is the dominant nation with over 60 million
of a population whilst Scotland has barely 5 million and Northern
Ireland and Wales, even less.
Alex Salmond who resigned as leader of the SNP after the defeat of the
referendum, is now looking to return to Westminster as an M.P. at the
general election. There is a lot of talk about how many seats the
minority parties might take away from the main two parties, and that
Salmond could finish up being Deputy Prime Minister. :-D At the last
general election, a big thing was made about going for proportional
representation as being more democratic, but the Liberal Democrats lost
that argument, and first past the post, which is our traditional voting
system for general elections, is not going to give any party a clear
majority, say the experts on demographics and polling agencies.
The establishment here in the UK is somewhat non-plussed at the moment,
as all the two main political parties can offer is to compete with one
another over who can cut public services the most...and they don't
really know what to do about "The East Lothian Question" as it is called.
It might be better to go for an English parliament at Westminster, and
remove the unelected House of Lords and have a House of
Nationalities...but I can't see the establishment going for that, as it
would create a major constitutional mess and lots of other problems,
with England perhaps dominating the political scene even more than it
does now. The ties are too close with the USA, and the move is away
from Europe. The Conservatives have promised to call a referendum on EU
membership after the election, they are frightened to call it now,
because there might be a "No To the EU", vote. So, as you can see the
whole thing is wide open.
"It's ooer oil" What is left of it, and see how cheap it has got...
Weren't the Scots lucky not to get independence... :-)
The opinions, or rant expressed here, are purely of my own making and
have no foundation in fact, truth or reality...:-D
ATB
Dougie.
P.S. it is not you who should feel ashamed, you haven't done anything
wrong. You or I don't control the government or international
events...and you can only do your best by expressing your opinions.
P.P.S. Is the worst thing in this world to get what you want...or is it
not to get what you want... :-)
On 13/12/14 14:31, Shaun O'Connor wrote:
Well put Douggie and I agree with you 100% looking at what has been
unfolding and what is currently unfolding is, to say the least quite
disturbing and i sometimes feel ashamed to call myself British knowing
the complicity of my own government in this shabby treatment of people
in the name of "national security" or whatever fancy name one wants to
dream up to justify unfettered brutality.
and now that the shit is hitting the fan our government is hastily
drafting legislation so that they can turn round and say "but look we
are allowed to do it here look at such and suck piece of legislation"..
they call is "open government" I call it open arrogance.
ATB
Shaun
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